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Old 04-01-2014   #121
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Din't happen there, Lucy!
...... the "(again)" was only meant for the Jags.
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It is only a subject because the owner of the team specifically stated that it's not a rebuild.
Without that statement, most of us would think rebuild is obvious and not mention it.

Perhaps you should take up your point with the owner of the team.



My thoughts, as well.



Not my thoughts at all. In my mind, if I consider a team in rebuild mode, I'm more patient with the process. Rebuilding suggests years in the making and I think this is where the franchise is at right now.

Those that listen to Mr. McNair and expect a winning season might be disappointed. But, if they end up winning, then I'm pleasantly surprised.
It's not a rebuild, it's a house flip.
You got your new guy in charge (head Coach), his main contractors (asst. coaches), and the money guy (GM).
Re do the kitchen (QB), put some good flooring and paint in the living spaces (offense), upgrade the bath and bedrooms (defense), and tweak the landscape (special teams).
If everyone's on the same page and knows what they're doing, I can see them be competitive fairly quickly.
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...... the "(again)" was only meant for the Jags.
Oh. OK then, carry on.
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We lost 14 in a row last season. You'd think I'd be convinced of that now, but we've scapegoated Kubiak & Schaub and I have no problem believing it was their fault (even though Schaub only played in 6 games, winning two of them). Those excuses are gone now, I'm rooting for Teflon Rick.... really, I am. I'm betting we'll be competitive against this schedule.
I'll give him this... a lot of the players he drafted somehow wound up 10-6 with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Rebuild to me says we don't expect to win much. I refuse to believe that.

To me, 30yr old high salaried guys need to play at or near pro bowl caliber to stick. OD has been done to me. He hasn't been able to split safeties in 4 yrs. Antonio was always solid and overrated on this board. He was not a 9m de in any scheme. If he was 3-4m ok,cool,but he wasn't. Wade Smith,Daniel Manning, same thing. I thought Wade should've been replaced at least this past season,but he didn't play well 2 yrs ago.

This is just washing out older more expensive guys and replacing them with younger cheaper guys. Core wise, I think the texans have a pretty good core. Its time for guys like Crick,Quess,Jones,williams,and williams to step up and play. The colts and redskins made the playoffs with holes all over the place 2 yrs ago. This league is setup to go 7-9,8-8,9-7. There isn't a lot of differece in talent from a 6-10 and a 10-6 team. Not to mention, the division doesn't have a dominant team and neither do the other 2 division they play. I think,even with a rookie qb to be 7-9 or 8-8. If things fall right,they could get to 9 maybe10 wins. I think RAC with the existing talent will get this team into top 10 defensively. That alone will make this team a lot better.
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Manning is scheduled to also meet with the Chiefs on Thursday.....maybe one comes (Kendricks) in the door while one goes out the door (Manning).
KC lost playoffs due to Kendricks giving up that long TD to T Y Hilton. KC is trying to get better than One and Done! so they kicked him out.... You think Manning is an upgrade with his injuries ? idk

Heck i would take playoffs with One and Done this season, may be not to the Colts, some other team, and then upgrade kendricks next season like KC.
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We'll win the division.
I don't see it.
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KC lost playoffs due to Kendricks giving up that long TD to T Y Hilton. KC is trying to get better than One and Done! so they kicked him out.... You think Manning is an upgrade with his injuries ? idk
They gave up 45 points. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around.
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To me, 30yr old high salaried guys need to play at or near pro bowl caliber to stick. OD has been done to me. He hasn't been able to split safeties in 4 yrs. Antonio was always solid and overrated on this board. He was not a 9m de in any scheme. If he was 3-4m ok,cool,but he wasn't. Wade Smith,Daniel Manning, same thing. I thought Wade should've been replaced at least this past season,but he didn't play well 2 yrs ago.

This is just washing out older more expensive guys and replacing them with younger cheaper guys. Core wise, I think the texans have a pretty good core. Its time for guys like Crick,Quess,Jones,williams,and williams to step up and play. The colts and redskins made the playoffs with holes all over the place 2 yrs ago. This league is setup to go 7-9,8-8,9-7. There isn't a lot of differece in talent from a 6-10 and a 10-6 team. Not to mention, the division doesn't have a dominant team and neither do the other 2 division they play. I think,even with a rookie qb to be 7-9 or 8-8. If things fall right,they could get to 9 maybe10 wins. I think RAC with the existing talent will get this team into top 10 defensively. That alone will make this team a lot better.
I seem to recall Casserly & company having a similar mindset. We were 7-9 when he started making "get rid of the expensive old guys" moves. The next year we were 2-14.
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The bolded teams have something we are searching for, a solid, established starting QB. Two of them have multi-SB winning QBs. If this is the "QB-driven league" everyone says it is, their presence has to give them an edge.

And in those division games, I'm hoping for a home-&-home split (this year anyway) so that's six games I not be surprised if we lost.

I salute your optimism though. I just don't have it yet. .....maybe after training camp.
I have a hard time calling RGIII solid and established. He's very much a work in progress.
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Unless I was imagining it, I think I read somewhere that OB said don't rule out Manning returning to Houston. Manning is gauging his value on the market.
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Unless I was imagining it, I think I read somewhere that OB said don't rule out Manning returning to Houston. Manning is gauging his value on the market.
You did indeed read that. It's on the Texans website.
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You did indeed read that. It's on the Texans website.
Interesting.

Would certainly explain (aside from just being a good guy from all I could tell) the tenor of his comments upon departure.

I'll keep my fingers crossed in the most self-serving way imaginable for the market to not live up to Manning's expectations.
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I have a hard time calling RGIII solid and established. He's very much a work in progress.
My point was that we don't have anyone on our current roster with even that level of success.

2012 Offensive RotY
led his team to 9-6 record.

in Fitzy's best seasons he topped out at 6 wins.

Yates' best year was his rookie year when he went 2-3; 3-4 if you count the playoff games.

Keenum is OH-fer 2013

And this game is about producing wins, right?


okay, I'll concede that RGIII is still a work in progress. ...and?
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My point was that we don't have anyone on our current roster with even that level of success.

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okay, I'll concede that RGIII is still a work in progress. ...and?
Just because a QB is better than what the Texans have on the roster doesn't mean I would want them on the roster.

For example, for most of Eli Manning's career, he has been closer to Matt Schaub than to Tom Brady. 81% QBR for his career, poor TD:INT ratio, poor completion %, missed playoffs four out of last five years.

Matt Schaub has as many 12-win seasons as Eli, and both lost in the Divisional round of the playoffs. Eli has averaged 9 wins a season over his career, while Schaub averaged 8.

But he twice in 10 years rode a playoff hot streak to two fluke Super Bowls, and everyone points to him as a clutch QB who "just wins".
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Just because a QB is better than what the Texans have on the roster doesn't mean I would want them on the roster.

For example, for most of Eli Manning's career, he has been closer to Matt Schaub than to Tom Brady. 81% QBR for his career, poor TD:INT ratio, poor completion %, missed playoffs four out of last five years.

Matt Schaub has as many 12-win seasons as Eli, and both lost in the Divisional round of the playoffs. Eli has averaged 9 wins a season over his career, while Schaub averaged 8.

But he twice in 10 years rode a playoff hot streak to two fluke Super Bowls, and everyone points to him as a clutch QB who "just wins".
But
...in that fifth year he took his team to the Super Bowl and beat Tom Brady in the process.

When the bright lights came on and he was on the biggest stage in the NFL, Eli delivered. (with very possibly the luckiest damned catch since the Steeler's "Immaculate Reception")
Can we say that about Schaub...?
And I said "we" because I am a Schaub fan.
Still am. (well as much as I can be a fan of a non-Texan)

But the original post was in response to ThunderKyss's implication that there were 11 teams on our schedule that we have a 50-50 chance of beating because they're in a similar state of "rebuild" to us.
My point was four of those teams have "established" starting QBs. And by "established" I mean they've been there and taken their teams to winning seasons and/or playoff land.
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We. Do. Not.
As such - and this is the only point I was making - that gives them something of an edge that we would be unwise to overlook.
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...in that fifth year he took his team to the Super Bowl and beat Tom Brady in the process.

When the bright lights came on and he was on the biggest stage in the NFL, Eli delivered.
That's his point. Matt Schaub was the better QB over those years. Better than Flacco as well, but... those guys have Super Bowls & we don't.


Just because the teams you mentioned have better QBs than we do, don't mean a whole lot. For all the good they are, they sure don't win a lot of games. & when we're talking about them being on our schedule next season, the fact that they are on those teams mean nothing.

We don't know who our QB is going to be, but our team has demonstrated more recently than they have with their "established" QBs, that they know how to win.
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...in that fifth year he took his team to the Super Bowl and beat Tom Brady in the process.

When the bright lights came on and he was on the biggest stage in the NFL, Eli delivered. (with very possibly the luckiest damned catch since the Steeler's "Immaculate Reception")
Can we say that about Schaub...?
This is the total disconnect for me. Can we say what about Schaub? - that he never had one of the NFL's luckiest catches made to avoid a playoff loss? Sure, but so what? How does that reflect on either QB. It was a poorly thrown desperation attempt which magically paid off due to the miraculous play of a never had more than 215 yds in a season, soon to be cut and out of the league WR. That's it.
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This is the total disconnect for me. Can we say what about Schaub? - that he never had one of the NFL's luckiest catches made to avoid a playoff loss? Sure, but so what? How does that reflect on either QB. It was a poorly thrown desperation attempt which magically paid off due to the miraculous play of a never had more than 215 yds in a season, soon to be cut and out of the league WR. That's it.
What about winning the three other playoff games to even be in the position to chunk that prayer up in the first place?
...did I mention all three of those other wins were on the road?

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those could be considered "big stage auditions".


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What about winning the three other playoff games to even be in the position to chunk that prayer up in the first place?
...did I mention all three of those other wins were on the road?

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those could be considered "big stage auditions".


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Man we're bored.

He played great in two of them and then marginal to crap in the 3rd that got them in the SB. Now Flacco really upped his game in the playoffs two years ago.

Yeah, we're bored.
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