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Old 04-01-2014   #101
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I thought about that after I commented. It's about on par with the "who is most responsible for selling the play action" conversation.
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I guess it depends on what we consider rebuilding. I'll have to look & see how many starters we replaced last season. Wade Smith though... I thought we should have dumped him last year, I don't understand letting him play out his contract for his level of play the previous year. I surely did not expect him to bounce back.

But I don't consider it a rebuild if you don't have to change out your core players. Matt, OD, & DMann... I thought they were part of that core. HC change as well..... yup it's a rebuild.

I still think we're going to be competitive next season though. I believe we have a stronger core than most of the teams on our schedule. I don't think we'll be in the division hunt come December, but we'll be a strong contender for a Wild Card.

I too hope our rebuild, or should I say "new do", will be competitive and entertaining.
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I too hope our rebuild, or should I say "new do", will be competitive and entertaining.
Couldn't be worse than last year....
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Manning is scheduled to also meet with the Chiefs on Thursday.....maybe one comes (Kendricks) in the door while one goes out the door (Manning).
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Depends on how you look at it. So far, it appears that OB doesn't like paying for 30+ year olds with injury issues.

I can understand that but where is this money going then because it certainly isn't going to pay other FA's because all of our signings so far have not been pricey in any way.

I'm just saying this year so far we continue to downgrade at every position. That doesn't mean we are not getting younger and paying less but Clemens is a downgrade over Manning for this year.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with what we're calling it? This has spilled over into multiple threads now. I don't care what it is, as long as it works and sets this franchise up with a plan for long term success.
It is only a subject because the owner of the team specifically stated that it's not a rebuild.

Without that statement, most of us would think rebuild is obvious and not mention it.

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I refuse to believe that.
Not my thoughts at all. In my mind, if I consider a team in rebuild mode, I'm more patient with the process. Rebuilding suggests years in the making and I think this is where the franchise is at right now.

Those that listen to Mr. McNair and expect a winning season might be disappointed. But, if they end up winning, then I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Those that listen to Mr. McNair and expect a winning season might be disappointed. But, if they end up winning, then I'm pleasantly surprised.
One consoling point is if Mr. McNair continues to propagate this pattern of predicting great things for the next season.........one day, he's bound to be right!
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Couldn't be worse than last year....
I was thoroughly entertained last season. It took me a while to realize we weren't going to score any points in the second half... I think the first Jacksonville game.

From then on, I kept telling myself, "This is the game he learns to pick up the blitz."
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One consoling point is if Mr. McNair continues to propagate this pattern of predicting great things for the next season.........one day, he's bound to be right!
Not necessarily: see Browns, Cleveland.
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In my mind, if I consider a team in rebuild mode, I'm more patient with the process. Rebuilding suggests years in the making and I think this is where the franchise is at right now.
Most of the time, probably. I don't really expect us to be very good, so I'm pretty patient from that perspective. I don't think we'll be forcing our will on anyone in the near future.

in 2014, I just expect us to not suck as bad as:

Buffalo (4-12) can't remember the last time they had a winning season
Cleveland (4-12) same, I think Belichick was their coach
Jacksonville (4-12)... it's been awhile since they had a winning season
Raiders (4-12)... look at their QB
Tennessee (7-9).... it's been a while since they had a winning season
Redskins (3-13)... they've got as many issues as we do
Dallas Cowboys (8-8)... they've got as many issues as we do
New York Giants (7-9)... They've got as many issues as we do
Steelers (8-8)... They've got as many issues as we do

That's 11 games against teams that are as bad as we are, or worse.


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Those that listen to Mr. McNair and expect a winning season might be disappointed. But, if they end up winning, then I'm pleasantly surprised.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if we beat Indy, or Philly... if we win the division.

I'll be very disappointed if we're swept by the Titans & the Jags (again).
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Most of the time, probably. I don't really expect us to be very good, so I'm pretty patient from that perspective. I don't think we'll be forcing our will on anyone in the near future.

in 2014, I just expect us to not suck as bad as:

Buffalo (4-12) can't remember the last time they had a winning season
Cleveland (4-12) same, I think Belichick was their coach
Jacksonville (4-12)... it's been awhile since they had a winning season
Raiders (4-12)... look at their QB
Tennessee (7-9).... it's been a while since they had a winning season
Redskins (3-13)... they've got as many issues as we do
Dallas Cowboys (8-8)... they've got as many issues as we do
New York Giants (7-9)... They've got as many issues as we do
Steelers (8-8)... They've got as many issues as we do

That's 11 games against teams that are as bad as we are, or worse.
The bolded teams have something we are searching for, a solid, established starting QB. Two of them have multi-SB winning QBs. If this is the "QB-driven league" everyone says it is, their presence has to give them an edge.

And in those division games, I'm hoping for a home-&-home split (this year anyway) so that's six games I not be surprised if we lost.

I salute your optimism though. I just don't have it yet. .....maybe after training camp.
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Most of the time, probably. I don't really expect us to be very good, so I'm pretty patient from that perspective. I don't think we'll be forcing our will on anyone in the near future.

in 2014, I just expect us to not suck as bad as:

Buffalo (4-12) can't remember the last time they had a winning season
Cleveland (4-12) same, I think Belichick was their coach
Jacksonville (4-12)... it's been awhile since they had a winning season
Raiders (4-12)... look at their QB
Tennessee (7-9).... it's been a while since they had a winning season
Redskins (3-13)... they've got as many issues as we do
Dallas Cowboys (8-8)... they've got as many issues as we do
New York Giants (7-9)... They've got as many issues as we do
Steelers (8-8)... They've got as many issues as we do

That's 11 games against teams that are as bad as we are, or worse.





I'll be pleasantly surprised if we beat Indy, or Philly... if we win the division.

I'll be very disappointed if we're swept by the Titans & the Jags (again).
I hope you're right.

However, the last time the Texans won a game was in September. I'm still numb to the fact that this team experienced a 14 game losing streak. One day I will probably just explode in spontaneous maniacal laughter when the realization truly hits me.

I'm not good at predictions, so I won't even try. At this point, we do not even have a clue who will be the starting QB for the first game. It is tough to predict any type of success when there are so many unknowns.

That said, I have confidence in O'Brien (based on hope as a fan), so I just want to see a squad that is competitive. I saw a lot of quit last year, so an improvement to me would be a team that refuses to accept losing as a way of life. Beyond that, who they beat and what the final record will be is a complete mystery.
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The bolded teams have something we are searching for, a solid, established starting QB. Two of them have multi-SB winning QBs. If this is the "QB-driven league" everyone says it is, their presence has to give them an edge.
Agreed generally but one of those multi-SB winning QBs just turned in a 69.4 rating season. Let that sink in for a second - it's worse than Schaub's epically bad season.

I'd put it at two above average starters and two giant question marks.
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Agreed generally but one of those multi-SB winning QBs just turned in a 69.4 rating season. Let that sink in for a second - it's worse than Schaub's epically bad season.

I'd put it at two above average starters and two giant question marks.
Fair enough. Still, experience-wise anyway, they're ahead of us. At least until I see different.
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Redskins (3-13)... they've got as many issues as we do
Dallas Cowboys (8-8)... they've got as many issues as we do
New York Giants (7-9)... They've got as many issues as we do
Steelers (8-8)... They've got as many issues as we do
The bolded teams have something we are searching for, a solid, established starting QB. Two of them have multi-SB winning QBs. If this is the "QB-driven league" everyone says it is, their presence has to give them an edge.

And in those division games, I'm hoping for a home-&-home split (this year anyway) so that's six games I not be surprised if we lost.

I salute your optimism though. I just don't have it yet. .....maybe after training camp.
First of all, I'm not saying we're going to win all 11 games. Just pointing out the teams we're playing have not had a lot of success lately.

Secondly, those teams with solid, established QBs.... c'mon. RG3 hasn't established jack (I'd love it if he were our QB, but that's another story), Romo doesn't know what a play off game is, much less a victory, Eli..... again, I wouldn't mind if he were our QB, or Ben for that matter, but it's been a struggle for them to get to 8-8 the past two years (both the Giants & the Steelers). Tell me they're further along on their rebuild than we are... it's a better arguement than the solidarity of their established QBs, but in the case of the Giants, Redskins, & Cowboys I'm not seeing it.
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Most of the time, probably. I don't really expect us to be very good, so I'm pretty patient from that perspective. I don't think we'll be forcing our will on anyone in the near future.

in 2014, I just expect us to not suck as bad as:

Buffalo (4-12) can't remember the last time they had a winning season
Cleveland (4-12) same, I think Belichick was their coach
Jacksonville (4-12)... it's been awhile since they had a winning season
Raiders (4-12)... look at their QB
Tennessee (7-9).... it's been a while since they had a winning season
Redskins (3-13)... they've got as many issues as we do
Dallas Cowboys (8-8)... they've got as many issues as we do
New York Giants (7-9)... They've got as many issues as we do
Steelers (8-8)... They've got as many issues as we do

That's 11 games against teams that are as bad as we are, or worse.





I'll be pleasantly surprised if we beat Indy, or Philly... if we win the division.

I'll be very disappointed if we're swept by the Titans & the Jags (again).
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I'm not good at predictions, so I won't even try. At this point, we do not even have a clue who will be the starting QB for the first game. It is tough to predict any type of success when there are so many unknowns.

That said, I have confidence in O'Brien (based on hope as a fan), so I just want to see a squad that is competitive.
I'm with you on all the above. I'm not asking anyone to predict a winning season, or even our final W-L (not in this thread anyway)... alls I'm saying here, is that to be competitive in 2014, we just need to suck less than the 9 teams (11 games) I listed.

I'm not a Rick Smith fan. He hasn't proven to me that he's qualified to handle the responsibilities our owner seems to believe are in his wheelhouse. IMO, if we're not competitive with the Browns, Bills, or Raiders (we're talking a decade of suck), I'll be convinced he is not.

We lost 14 in a row last season. You'd think I'd be convinced of that now, but we've scapegoated Kubiak & Schaub and I have no problem believing it was their fault (even though Schaub only played in 6 games, winning two of them). Those excuses are gone now, I'm rooting for Teflon Rick.... really, I am. I'm betting we'll be competitive against this schedule.
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I'm with you on all the above. I'm not asking anyone to predict a winning season, or even our final W-L (not in this thread anyway)... alls I'm saying here, is that to be competitive in 2014, we just need to suck less than the 9 teams (11 games) I listed.

I'm not a Rick Smith fan. He hasn't proven to me that he's qualified to handle the responsibilities our owner seems to believe are in his wheelhouse. IMO, if we're not competitive with the Browns, Bills, or Raiders (we're talking a decade of suck), I'll be convinced he is not.

We lost 14 in a row last season. You'd think I'd be convinced of that now, but we've scapegoated Kubiak & Schaub and I have no problem believing it was their fault (even though Schaub only played in 6 games, winning two of them). Those excuses are gone now, I'm rooting for Teflon Rick.... really, I am. I'm betting we'll be competitive against this schedule.
Me too. We'll find out if the problem was the former HC or the GM. Like Grammy always told me, "The proof is in the puddin".

I'm stoked waiting for our draft and next season!
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