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Old 04-01-2014   #81
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Joyner is only 5'8". may be Telvin Smith, he is 6'3" and versatile.
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Well we continue to downgrade at all positions..
Depends on how you look at it. So far, it appears that OB doesn't like paying for 30+ year olds with injury issues.
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thats why they kept his def coach,..they want to keep JJ happy
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Joyner is only 5'8". may be Telvin Smith, he is 6'3" and versatile.
And? Tyrann Mathieu is only 5'9. That doesn't stop him from having an impact.

Joyner is going to be a heck of a player as a slot CB and SS.
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Look at all the starters that are gone. It's a rebuilding like it or not.
This was a 2-14 team. It should be rebuilt. Out with the old, overpaid, underachievers. In with the young, hungry, overachievers (hopefully). This is how the NFL works.
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How does manning being cut equate to rebuilding?
It does not equate.

But, it is part of the equation.

I guess it depends on how you define "rebuild". A new head coach, whole new staff, completely new schemes on both sides of the ball, new QB, lots of other new starters...I'd say this is pretty obvious of a rebuild. Expecting playoffs in 2014 is setting yourself up for disappointment.
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It does not equate.

But, it is part of the equation.

I guess it depends on how you define "rebuild". A new head coach, whole new staff, completely new schemes on both sides of the ball, new QB, lots of other new starters...I'd say this is pretty obvious of a rebuild. Expecting playoffs in 2014 is setting yourself up for disappointment.
Yeah. I expect a Super Bowl and will settle for nothing less.

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Yeah. I expect a Super Bowl and will settle for nothing less.

I believe in BOB
Long term, yeah, I can get on board with that.

This season? 'eh, not so much.
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It does not equate.

But, it is part of the equation.

I guess it depends on how you define "rebuild". A new head coach, whole new staff, completely new schemes on both sides of the ball, new QB, lots of other new starters...I'd say this is pretty obvious of a rebuild. Expecting playoffs in 2014 is setting yourself up for disappointment.
I don't think the Manning release is a rebuild move. I think this is the type of move we will see in the future. We signed Lewis for depth and Clemons to be a starter. Manning was in the last year of his deal and coming off a pretty significant injury for someone of his age. It looks like a simple replacement to me. In the end, we probably got stronger at safety. We have more depth (Lewis) and we replaced a starter with another player that is younger, cheaper, and similar in skill level.

That's not to say that we aren't rebuilding, I just don't see this move as a rebuilding move.
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I don't think the Manning release is a rebuild move. I think this is the type of move we will see in the future. We signed Lewis for depth and Clemons to be a starter. Manning was in the last year of his deal and coming off a pretty significant injury for someone of his age. It looks like a simple replacement to me. In the end, we probably got stronger at safety. We have more depth (Lewis) and we replaced a starter with another player that is younger, cheaper, and similar in skill level.

That's not to say that we aren't rebuilding, I just don't see this move as a rebuilding move.
It is an understandable perspective.

My take is not specific that cutting Manning reveals a rebuild. But rather he's yet another veteran leader being purged. The purge itself it indicative of a rebuild, not specific players in and of themselves.

Letting Manning go had as much to do with money as anything else according to all news reports.

Think about all the starters that are now gone. This is not a Kansas City Chiefs 2013 situation. O'Brien & Company are clearly looking long term, both regarding cap space and players that fit his schemes on both sides of the ball.

And I'm okay with that, as it is expected when a team gets a new head coach. Rare is the case where all a team needs is a new head coach after a 2-14 season. Like Lucky said, this team should be torn down and rebuilt after last season.
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That's not to say that we aren't rebuilding, I just don't see this move as a rebuilding move.
I guess it depends on what we consider rebuilding. I'll have to look & see how many starters we replaced last season. Wade Smith though... I thought we should have dumped him last year, I don't understand letting him play out his contract for his level of play the previous year. I surely did not expect him to bounce back.

But I don't consider it a rebuild if you don't have to change out your core players. Matt, OD, & DMann... I thought they were part of that core. HC change as well..... yup it's a rebuild.

I still think we're going to be competitive next season though. I believe we have a stronger core than most of the teams on our schedule. I don't think we'll be in the division hunt come December, but we'll be a strong contender for a Wild Card.
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Yeah. I expect a Super Bowl and will settle for nothing less.

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I notice you didn't say when you expected a Super Bowl.
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Typically, when you hire a new Head Coach and sign/draft a new QB, it's a rebuild.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with what we're calling it? This has spilled over into multiple threads now. I don't care what it is, as long as it works and sets this franchise up with a plan for long term success.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with what we're calling it? This has spilled over into multiple threads now. I don't care what it is, as long as it works and sets this franchise up with a plan for long term success.
It's a new low point even for off-seasons. Next up we'll debate whether elephants are huge or enormous.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with what we're calling it? This has spilled over into multiple threads now. I don't care what it is, as long as it works and sets this franchise up with a plan for long term success.
Rebuild to me says we don't expect to win much. I refuse to believe that.
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I thought about that after I commented. It's about on par with the "who is most responsible for selling the play action" conversation.
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It's a new low point even for off-seasons. Next up we'll debate whether elephants are huge or enormous.
I'd go huge. Whales are enormous. JMO.
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