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Old 03-31-2014   #61
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How does manning being cut equate to rebuilding? His age,injuries,and cap # is why he was cut. Manninng is solid,but you can find solid for a lot cheaper than 6m. I like the philosophy of starter,backup,or camp body and of course money adds into it.

Cleamons and DJ are starters,lewis and keo are st and backups. I'm looking at a combo type of guy for the 3 safety look. Keith McGill in the 3rd fits a lot. Not only because he's both,but JJo is older and needs to play better and jackson is a fa after the season.

OB also said Swearinger will start at SS and FS will be a competition between Lewis and Clemons. And manning getting cut is just part of it. Look at all the starters that are gone. It's a rebuilding like it or not.
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It looks like the Texans were not straightforward with their description of Manning's injury. At first they report a stress fracture of the fibula and later reported a significant knee hyperextension injury. Keeing in mind the the injury occurred mid October of last year, with Manning revealing that he had 6-8 still to go on his rehab before making on the field, I've been trying to put things together in my head. All sources, including Rotoworld, have continued to report that Manning was recovering from surgery fibula fracture surgery. An isolated fibula fracture, even a complete one, would require only 6-8 weeks total rehab. Manning previous had that type of injury and actually came back early after 5 weeks. Today, it's ~5 1/2 months since the injury. So either he had a complication from surgery........which the Texans never reported to have occurred or had more extensive injuries.

I found this isolated Tweet I never saw back at the very end of the year.:


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Then I went back and tried to get a still of when the injury occurred.





It appears that with such a long rehab, injuries sustained in addition to the fibula fracture (which was likely the proximal segment that is attached to the lateral collateral ligament) would definitely have to have included surgery...........for a tear of the posterior cruciate ligament (this ligament is the "check" ligament that prevents forward bending of the knee) and most likely for the lateral collateral ligament/fibula fracture segment, and also for the lateral meniscus, possibly the medial meniscus. It would not be unusual for any combination of this injuries included direct knee cartilage damage.









A posterior cruciate tear alone that requires surgery requires a very long recovery. When muscle strength is adequate, light jogging only begins at ~6 months and full return to play is not atypically allowed until 9-12 months after surgery.

This could very well explain why such concern regarding what was originally reported as a "hairline fracture of the fibula."
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You must have slept through the year the Colts didn't have Manning. ONE player CAN make a huge difference


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No need to leave Reliant. Healthy Schaub got to the point where he was worth 10-12 wins; gimpy (bad foot) Schaub couldn't get us more than two.
And neither of those two guys played DE. QB is that important of a position, not DE.

Obsi, if Schaub got us 2 with a gimpy foot, Watt couldn't get us one additional win. We lost how many games by 1 score? I'm not hating on Watt, by any means. Just pointing out that an elite QB is much more important than an elite DE. The whole defensive unit has to play at an elite level (not be all elite players, mind you) to have an impact like Seattle last year, the Ravens, Bears, Giants( LT era mostly), Steelers and Cowboys.

Heck, look at what Brady has accomplished with no name WR's for most of his career. Think what he could've done with a WR like AJ or Megatron for his whole career.
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It looks like the Texans were not straightforward with their description of Manning's injury. At first they report a stress fracture of the fibula and later reported a significant knee hyperextension injury. Keeing in mind the the injury occurred mid October of last year, with Manning revealing that he had 6-8 still to go on his rehab before making on the field, I've been trying to put things together in my head. All sources, including Rotoworld, have continued to report that Manning was recovering from surgery fibula fracture surgery. An isolated fibula fracture, even a complete one, would require only 6-8 weeks total rehab. Manning previous had that type of injury and actually came back early after 5 weeks. Today, it's ~5 1/2 months since the injury. So either he had a complication from surgery........which the Texans never reported to have occurred or had more extensive injuries.

I found this isolated Tweet I never saw back at the very end of the year.:





Then I went back and tried to get a still of when the injury occurred.





It appears that with such a long rehab, injuries sustained in addition to the fibula fracture (which was likely the proximal segment that is attached to the lateral collateral ligament) would definitely have to have included surgery...........for a tear of the posterior cruciate ligament (this ligament is the "check" ligament that prevents forward bending of the knee) and most likely for the lateral collateral ligament/fibula fracture segment, and also for the lateral meniscus, possibly the medial meniscus. It would not be unusual for any combination of this injuries included direct knee cartilage damage.









A posterior cruciate tear alone that requires surgery requires a very long recovery. When muscle strength is adequate, light jogging only begins at ~6 months and full return to play is not atypically allowed until 9-12 months after surgery.

This could very well explain why such concern regarding what was originally reported as a "hairline fracture of the fibula."
What are your thoughts on Manning finding a new team at his asking price? Reading your post, it sounds like the Texans weren't just being cheapskates. There appear to be legit questions regarding Manning's ability to come in and perform at a level commensurate with his original 2014 salary.

With this information, it looks like RS and OB made a good decision.
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It bothers me that the most productive offseason worth of moves we've had, not counting draftees, was the J.Jo & Manning signings, and now we are letting one of them go....and it hasn't been that long either.

Having said that, it seems like the right move. Sometimes they gotta make tough calls.
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And neither of those two guys played DE. QB is that important of a position, not DE.



Obsi, if Schaub got us 2 with a gimpy foot, Watt couldn't get us one additional win. We lost how many games by 1 score? I'm not hating on Watt, by any means. Just pointing out that an elite QB is much more important than an elite DE. The whole defensive unit has to play at an elite level (not be all elite players, mind you) to have an impact like Seattle last year, the Ravens, Bears, Giants( LT era mostly), Steelers and Cowboys.



Heck, look at what Brady has accomplished with no name WR's for most of his career. Think what he could've done with a WR like AJ or Megatron for his whole career.

What was the defenses average per game pre/post Cushing??


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What was the defenses average per game pre/post Cushing??


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Or how about this. Opposing offenses double team Watt a majority of snaps, creating opportunities for other guys on D, now if JJ would miss a game, how many offenses are gonna double team Crick, or Jamison, Hell how many double teamed Antonio


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What was the defenses average per game pre/post Cushing??


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Average what? YPG, PPG? What was their W/L total?
EDIT: 7 games w/ Cushing: 27 PPG. 9 games wo/Cushing: 26 PPG.

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If they gave up more ypg and ppg, post injury, you don't think that could equate to a loss


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What are your thoughts on Manning finding a new team at his asking price? Reading your post, it sounds like the Texans weren't just being cheapskates. There appear to be legit questions regarding Manning's ability to come in and perform at a level commensurate with his original 2014 salary.

With this information, it looks like RS and OB made a good decision.
I'd certainly feel that this season has potential for being very compromised. After that, it all depends what the exact extent of his injuries are, especially how much cartilage damage he sustained. It will be interesting if the Bear and Manning team up for good ole time...........but, I assure you (short of a couple of moron GMs out there), any offered contracts will be based very heavily of incentives.........and very lightly of guaranteed monies.
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I thought it was. This tap talk has me a little jacked up


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If they gave up more ypg and ppg, post injury, you don't think that could equate to a loss


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YPG is much less important than PPG. Check my post before yours for PPG. You can do YPG if you want to.
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I'd certainly feel that this season has potential for being very compromised. After that, it all depends what the exact extent of his injuries are, especially how much cartilage damage he sustained. It will be interesting if the Bear and Manning team up for good ole time...........but, I assure you (short of a couple of moron GMs out there), any offered contracts will be based very heavily of incentives.........and very lightly of guaranteed monies.
I was thinking more of a Tampa Bay reunion moreso than a Chicago one. Lovie Smith would be more likely to entertain taking a risk on Manning than a coaching staff that has no history with him. Unless I miss a Chicago connection...
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If they gave up more ypg and ppg, post injury, you don't think that could equate to a loss


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I have yet to see an NFL victory awarded soley based on which team gained the most yards. There have been several SB winners that did poorly in the YPG stats but did well in the PPG stats.
I would bet a sizeable amount of $$ that there are significantly more SB winners that did better in the PPG stat than YPG stat than the opposite. Just my
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I was thinking more of a Tampa Bay reunion moreso than a Chicago one. Lovie Smith would be more likely to entertain taking a risk on Manning than a coaching staff that has no history with him. Unless I miss a Chicago connection...
You're right, TB with Smith would be a reasonable match. Just thought that 5 years in Chicago might also make for a home town discount.
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It looks like the Texans were not straightforward with their description of Manning's injury. At first they report a stress fracture of the fibula and later reported a significant knee hyperextension injury. Keeing in mind the the injury occurred mid October of last year, with Manning revealing that he had 6-8 still to go on his rehab before making on the field, I've been trying to put things together in my head. All sources, including Rotoworld, have continued to report that Manning was recovering from surgery fibula fracture surgery. An isolated fibula fracture, even a complete one, would require only 6-8 weeks total rehab. Manning previous had that type of injury and actually came back early after 5 weeks. Today, it's ~5 1/2 months since the injury. So either he had a complication from surgery........which the Texans never reported to have occurred or had more extensive injuries.

I found this isolated Tweet I never saw back at the very end of the year.:





Then I went back and tried to get a still of when the injury occurred.





It appears that with such a long rehab, injuries sustained in addition to the fibula fracture (which was likely the proximal segment that is attached to the lateral collateral ligament) would definitely have to have included surgery...........for a tear of the posterior cruciate ligament (this ligament is the "check" ligament that prevents forward bending of the knee) and most likely for the lateral collateral ligament/fibula fracture segment, and also for the lateral meniscus, possibly the medial meniscus. It would not be unusual for any combination of this injuries included direct knee cartilage damage.









A posterior cruciate tear alone that requires surgery requires a very long recovery. When muscle strength is adequate, light jogging only begins at ~6 months and full return to play is not atypically allowed until 9-12 months after surgery.

This could very well explain why such concern regarding what was originally reported as a "hairline fracture of the fibula."
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Well we continue to downgrade at all positions..
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They might just be thinking to draft someone who can play both slot CB + Safety in early rounds.
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