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Old 03-27-2014   #2921
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2. His release point is 3/4s so he won't be releasing it like he's 6'1 1/2" or 6'2"... and defenses will play to that with mush rush and getting their hands up so you're going to have to create a firm front 3 (G-C-G), no inside rush.

3. He's a runner, he has magic outside of the pocket and that will translate into injury so you'd better plan for that because it'll happen
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Gotta give Manziel's crew credit for putting on a big-time dog-and-pony show. But I dunno about the xPrez and XFirst Lady being there with the uneditied version of rap music with all of the all the MFs and folks, etc. That wasn't a cool touch.
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The music sounded edited to me...Well....Most of it...lol
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Look, first I don't even want a QB drafted in the first so I'm not playing in the Bortles v. Bridgewater v. Manziel squabble.

However, if you're politicking for the number ONE spot in this year's draft, EVERY football move you make MEANS SOMETHING.

You are invited to go to a very respected football camp to learn how the pros do things and then you can't show up at the appointed time. Then you compound that by lying about it to everyone by throwing your roomie under the bus by claiming "he didn't wake me up".

Yeah... it matters when you screw the pooch on so many different levels. He may be a notch above VY but his behavior sure is giving off some serious Ryan Leaf vibes.
Not sure where you got that he put it on someone else. He did the opposite of what you are stating. I also believe the camp was not about how pros do things. He was a counselor/college coach. He wasn't there to learn but to teach but that's irrelevant. You make a committment you follow through. Main point is he didn't blame McCarron for waking him.

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Manziel said Wednesday the only reason he left camp was because he slept in late and missed a meeting -- nothing more, nothing less. He apologized privately to camp officials for being unable to fulfill his commitment.
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On Wednesday, Manziel was asked why McCarron did not wake him, and he said it was not the responsibility of his roommate to do so.

"I'm definitely not going to pin it on him," Manziel said. "It's my fault -- 115, 120 percent."
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So not really sure how you got that he put it on someone else. As it is most sources say the two of them are actually friends as he talked about their relationship and how they were buddies. He made a mistake, true, but all someone can do is apologize (which he did) and learn from it. Not sure how that comes off Ryan Leaf like who many stated had a poor work ethic and was known for his outbursts. Manziel meanwhile has worked with a QB coach for the past couple of years and took steps to improve on one of the weaker parts of his game which is throwing in the pocket. He showed some of that improvement this past season. That's rather night and day compared to Leaf.

In any case, from what I have seen of the pro-day (haven't seen all 63 throws) it was probably the best of the three QB's talked about. I have to say it was very impressive watching his footwork and his delivery on the deep throws. Still some mechanics to iron out but that is why you have QB coaches on the next level. It's obvious that the kid put in some work this offseason so far.
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Not sure where you got that he put it on someone else.
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Rumors and Rants says Archie Manning already HAD been told that Manziel was out until at least 4 a.m. Saturday. According to the story, Manning gave the quarterback a chance to fess up, but Manziel lied to Manning, and was then asked to leave the camp. The website also says the Heisman Trophy winner lied to his mother when he told her he overslept and that his roommate A.J. McCarron failed to wake him up.
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I canít answer on Johnny Manzielís part. My name is A.J. Everything that has to do with him, heís his own man. Iím not going to speak on another manís business. Thatís how I was raised. If it donít have nothing to do with you, donít speak on it. I know how I handle myself out in public, how I carry myself in front of people. Thatís what Iím worried about, trying to be the best player and the best person off the field that I can be for my family and the University of Alabama. I never want to disrespect them in any way.
Damn if I really know who's lying. Thing is, why get yourself in that situation to begin with.
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A 20 year old lying about drinking out all night? Untouchable!
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Cossell talked about this and his opinion Manziel is unwilling/unable to pick up the play designs.



I grew up there. Care to fill me in because his comment is spot on. It is a one way rivalry.
Maybe as far as sports go (football only) it is one sided. But when I first moved there and told my teacher I was from Houston, he said "ahh, you moved away from the armpit of Texas to pristine Arlington". That's one.
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Barbara and George HW Bush appeared halfway through the session in a golf cart: Gus Bradley said, "He didnít even blink. Thatís Johnny."

Manziel huddled with the 75 scouts before pro day started. He said he thanked them for coming and hoped he could "put on a show for them."

Manziel on his day: "I felt like it was good. I obviously was going for perfection, and a couple of balls hit the ground."

Browns will have a private workout with him. Mike Zimmer said Vikings also would work Manziel out privately, so it's "less choregographed."

Manziel on Clev not attending: Iím not disappointed. If they wanted to be here, they had the opportunity to. I donít think anything of it.

Gus Bradley on Manziel: "I think thatís no different than how heís performed all year, right? Perform under pressure."

Lovie Smith: "Most guys come out in T-shirts and you donít play in T-shirts, so coming out made a statement throwing it in pads."

Mike Zimmer shrugged at Manziel's workout: "It was different. It was a different workout." Also called it a "sideshow."
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Maybe as far as sports go (football only) it is one sided. But when I first moved there and told my teacher I was from Houston, he said "ahh, you moved away from the armpit of Texas to pristine Arlington". That's one.
I rather be from Houston the armpit of Texas than be from Dallas/Arlington the perineum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perineum of Texas. Ooh that should be my signature?????????
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I've yet to meet anyone who's seriously jocking the guy who ISN'T a Texas A&M alum. And truthfully he doesn't really excite me...which is odd because I'm known for my love of enormous "BUSTS"...
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61 of 64. I'm sold.
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Maybe as far as sports go (football only) it is one sided. But when I first moved there and told my teacher I was from Houston, he said "ahh, you moved away from the armpit of Texas to pristine Arlington". That's one.
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Maybe as far as sports go (football only) it is one sided. But when I first moved there and told my teacher I was from Houston, he said "ahh, you moved away from the armpit of Texas to pristine Arlington". That's one.
I'd rather live in an "armpit" than an @$$ whole...but that's me.
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I've yet to meet anyone who's seriously jocking the guy who ISN'T a Texas A&M alum. And truthfully he doesn't really excite me...which is odd because I'm known for my love of enormous "BUSTS"...
I'm a Sam Houston guy that wanted to go to USC, so not an Aggie fan.

I'd prefer Bridgewater, but he seems to be sliding. Kind of giving off that Notre Dame QB vibe.

Clowney, Bridgewater, and I guess Manziel are probably the top 3 guys. Clowney and JF have huge bust potential, but could have bigger upsides than Bridgewater.

I will probably be happy if neither Blake Bortles nor smarmy douche AJ "Poor Man's Mark Sanchez" McCarron line up under center.
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Manziel ran faster than 4.58?
I put very little stock in straight line speed. Hardly ever are you going to have your QB running 40 yards in a straight line. Give me agility and quickness any day, and Manziel is better in both of those areas than VY.
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I'll just say this, whoever drafts him will have a circus on their hands for quite a while.

Other than that, he looked good. I can't say much for the broom stick. Dude just doesn't make plays
This sums it up pretty well for me, especially the stuff about the broom. All kidding aside, he did look good throwing at his pro day, but when I watch him on tape with bodies flying around him, he does not look the same.

If he could be the guy we see in this pro day when the action is live then he would probably be a great selection, but I have my doubts he can maintain this posture when the ammunition is live and the bullets are flying.

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Look, first I don't even want a QB drafted in the first so I'm not playing in the Bortles v. Bridgewater v. Manziel squabble.

However, if you're politicking for the number ONE spot in this year's draft, EVERY football move you make MEANS SOMETHING.

You are invited to go to a very respected football camp to learn how the pros do things and then you can't show up at the appointed time. Then you compound that by lying about it to everyone by throwing your roomie under the bus by claiming "he didn't wake me up".

Yeah... it matters when you screw the pooch on so many different levels. He may be a notch above VY but his behavior sure is giving off some serious Ryan Leaf vibes.
Same here... do not think any of these QB's are a 1:1 pick and would rather wait until next season to look for the franchise guy. After all... we have Keenum and Fitzpatrick. What could go wrong? lol

As far as the camp thing goes, it is important to follow through with your commitments, and I agree he blew it in this instance, but unless you can point to many instances of the same kind of behavior, you have to chalk it up to "sh*t happens" instead of a red flag IMO.

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2. His release point is 3/4s so he won't be releasing it like he's 6'1 1/2" or 6'2"... and defenses will play to that with mush rush and getting their hands up so you're going to have to create a firm front 3 (G-C-G), no inside rush.

3. He's a runner, he has magic outside of the pocket and that will translate into injury so you'd better plan for that because it'll happen
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Not a big Polian fan, but did think his comments were on point. The "mush rush" as he called it was very effective containing Russell Wilson when the Texans played the Seahawks, up until for some unknown reason they stopped doing it in the 2nd half creating all kinds of running lanes for RW, and we all know how that ended.

I enjoyed Mayock's comment "He's (Manziel) going to get broken in half if he thinks he is going to run the ball 20 times a game"

Imagine the heart break Texans fans would suffer if the team appeared to be a legit SB contender, and were SB bound when late in the season their starting QB gets injured, ending all hopes of a SB run.

Oh wait... that already happened.

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Ironic comment.

That's not a shot at you btw. I think it was Texian who pretty much said that same thing this morning. It's true among all of you, not just Mr.White.
Untrue. I believed Manziel could do it, but I was not convinced. His play during the LSU & Missouri games really made me doubt. I was excited after the Duke game, but I was not convinced he would put in the time and effort to prove himself as not only a phenomenal college QB but a capable pocket and under center QB. Manziel showed all of those things and more today. There is zero doubt in my mind he deserves to go #1. No one in the NFL is a guarantee but combine what Manziel did today with his leadership and intangibles, and you have the makings of a potentially great NFL QB.
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Maybe as far as sports go (football only) it is one sided. But when I first moved there and told my teacher I was from Houston, he said "ahh, you moved away from the armpit of Texas to pristine Arlington". That's one.
With the armpit vs pristine comment, do you think your teacher was referring to the petrochemical complexes on the Houston SC vs the absence of same in Arlington ? Or was intended in a more general sense, whatever that might be ?
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Untrue. I believed Manziel could do it, but I was not convinced. His play during the LSU & Missouri games really made me doubt. I was excited after the Duke game, but I was not convinced he would put in the time and effort to prove himself as not only a phenomenal college QB but a capable pocket and under center QB. Manziel showed all of those things and more today. There is zero doubt in my mind he deserves to go #1. No one in the NFL is a guarantee but combine what Manziel did today with his leadership and intangibles, and you have the makings of a potentially great NFL QB.
And what about his workout today should change your opinion of the LSU and Missouri games? I didn't see a real pass rush out there forcing him to make quicker reads. I didn't see press coverage on his WR's forcing him to make adjustments. I saw a scripted workout. He looked good, but it was a workout. Don't let a two-hour workout change an opinion you developed over watching 2 years of game tape.
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I've yet to meet anyone who's seriously jocking the guy who ISN'T a Texas A&M alum. And truthfully he doesn't really excite me...which is odd because I'm known for my love of enormous "BUSTS"...
I'm not an Aggie, and I'm not gaga for Manziel. I think I'm more against the Texans considering Bridgewater and Bortles than I am pro Manziel. If the Texans draft Bridgewater I'll get on board shortly after my dissapointment, but if they draft Bortles I just might cry.
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