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That's not true at all. Ball placement, for one thing, is a huge deal for pitchers.
So Carlos Rodon or the kid from Shepard are being scouted for their ball placement ? I'm thinking the kid from Shepard is being looked at for hitting 102 on the radar .
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Is Bortles David Carr ?
I knew before you answered you wouldn't answer the question and would go silly answer instead.

No Bortles is not Carr. BUYER BEWARE of any QB with more than 600 attempts per season. Carr has shown abilities to to deliever Game Winning Drives.
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That's not true at all. Ball placement, for one thing, is a huge deal for pitchers.
Right! I would take Greg Maddox all day long.
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I knew before you answered you wouldn't answer the question and would go silly answer instead.

No Bortles is not Carr. BUYER BEWARE of any QB with more than 600 attempts per season. Carr has shown abilities to to deliever Game Winning Drives.
Not silly because you don't know what any of these guys are going to do . You can't say Clowney is Aundrey Bruce and then say Bortles can't be Carr . Bortles season last year is nowhere near Carr's last year at Fresno . Bortles is not a better prospect than Carr coming out .
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Is Bortles David Carr ?
The comparison to Aundray Bruce is a serious question. If you can't answer the question or you don't know, just say I don't know.
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Not silly because you don't know what any of these guys are going to do . You can't say Clowney is Aundrey Bruce and then say Bortles can't be Carr . Bortles season last year is nowhere near Carr's last year at Fresno . Bortles is not a better prospect than Carr coming out .
Bortles is a 2 year starter and Carr a 3 yr starter. Bortles played a higher level and was able to do more. Over 70% of Carr's passes were of the dink and dunk variety with a preset predetermined read and WR that took under 3 sec to execute. When the chips were on the line and Fresno had to deviate from the game plan Carr had a high degree of difficulty of delivering a win. Bortles is able to do what Carr couldn't and Bortles was able to deliver in every situation making Blake a much better prospect than Carr.

So your answer to Aundray Bruce is you don't know. I'm OK with that.
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I can't make a decision on such a small sample of information. I don't really care what his 40 is as long as it confirms his speed in pads, and sacks aren't the only measure of football ability. I'd have to see his tape.
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He has a 30 inch vertical , 21 reps and a 9.5 Broad jump to go along with that 19 sacks and 5 flat forty .
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That's not the point . The point is are you going to settle for a lesser prospect or are you betting on the best prospect . There is no guarantee with any of them so go big or go home at #1 .

The safest pick , IMO , is Matthews because he can play somewhere on the OL .
Lesser prospect is determined by what exactly? Ability to play football? Or workout numbers in a controlled environment with no pads on?

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Bortles is a 2 year starter and Carr a 3 yr starter. Bortles played a higher level and was able to do more. Over 70% of Carr's passes were of the dink and dunk variety with a preset predetermined read and WR that took under 3 sec to execute. When the chips were on the line and Fresno had to deviate from the game plan Carr had a high degree of difficulty of delivering a win. Bortles is able to do what Carr couldn't and Bortles was able to deliver in every situation making Blake a much better prospect than Carr.

So your answer to Aundray Bruce is you don't know. I'm OK with that.
Bruce is nowhere near the prospect Clowney is so maybe Clowney ends up like Neil Smith .

Bortles hasn't played the teams JF has and the only thing Bortles has on him is size . Carr was only a two year starter as a fifth year senior . Kinda out of the blue like Bortles .
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And? These are just numbers. Refer to bolded above.



Lesser prospect is determined by what exactly? Ability to play football? Or workout numbers in a controlled environment with no pads on?



You got me. This kind of logic goes straight over my head.
This is all a bet on information gathered and with that , I think the two best prospects , that have the most ability , are Clowney and Robinson . If you don't like them bet on somebody else .
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This is all a bet on information gathered and with that , I think the two best prospects , that have the most ability , are Clowney and Robinson . If you don't like them bet on somebody else .
That's fine. But that has nothing to do with the hypothetical situation you were throwing at me on the last page.
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That's fine. But that has nothing to do with the hypothetical situation you were throwing at me on the last page.
I think talent based vs performance based has more to do with the #1 overall pick . That may be a mistake but most folks are looking for a physical stud who has the ability to dominate . The Texans tried it with Mario at #1 and found it with Watt at #11 .
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I think talent based vs performance based has more to do with the #1 overall pick . That may be a mistake but most folks are looking for a physical stud who has the ability to dominate . The Texans tried it with Mario at #1 and found it with Watt at #11 .
Mario produced on the field. No way he gets taken #1 with 3 sacks his last season and he was every bit the physical freak as Clowney.
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I think talent based vs performance based has more to do with the #1 overall pick . That may be a mistake but most folks are looking for a physical stud who has the ability to dominate . The Texans tried it with Mario at #1 and found it with Watt at #11 .
When you apply a different standard to one pick but not others you get yourself into trouble. This isn't even really a discussion about Clowney for me.

If you draft based on football ability for all other picks why would you ignore that and base your criteria for the most important pick solely on athleticism?

Workout numbers don't tell me squat. I'm not drafting guys to compete in the crossfit games. I'm drafting football players. So the tape of them playing football is what I will use to make my selection.

If that means that every once in a while a stud athlete sneaks past me then fine. The teams that covet athleticism over all else are usually the teams that are consistently picking at the top.
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Bruce is nowhere near the prospect Clowney is so maybe Clowney ends up like Neil Smith .

Bortles hasn't played the teams JF has and the only thing Bortles has on him is size . Carr was only a two year starter as a fifth year senior . Kinda out of the blue like Bortles .
Aundray Bruce was close to being identical in size to Clowney but Bruce had more sacks than Clowney the year he was drafted. The #1 pick in the draft and was the heir apparent and the next Lawrence Taylor.

You got some bad info on Derek Carr Chief, he was in fact a 3 year starter.

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When you apply a different standard to one pick but not others you get yourself into trouble. This isn't even really a discussion about Clowney for me.

If you draft based on football ability for all other picks why would you ignore that and base your criteria for the most important pick solely on athleticism?

Workout numbers don't tell me squat. I'm not drafting guys to compete in the crossfit games. I'm drafting football players. So the tape of them playing football is what I will use to make my selection.

If that means that every once in a while a stud athlete sneaks past me then fine. The teams that covet athleticism over all else are usually the teams that are consistently picking at the top.
I don't watch film , maybe a youtube video , but for the most part I just guess based on the information I read and watching games . Having said that , I don't get paid to scout but I do ok when I do the TT mocks . Luck plays a huge factor in the NFL or any draft .
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Aundray Bruce was close to being identical in size to Clowney but Bruce had more sacks than Clowney the year he was drafted. The #1 pick in the draft and was the heir apparent and the next Lawrence Taylor.

You got some bad info on Derek Carr Chief, he was in fact a 3 year starter.

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6'4 246 vs 6'6 266 isn't close .

I'm not talking about Derek I'm talking David .
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I don't watch film , maybe a youtube video , but for the most part I just guess based on the information I read and watching games . Having said that , I don't get paid to scout but I do ok when I do the TT mocks . Luck plays a huge factor in the NFL or any draft .
Then why is it always the same franchises that are getting "lucky"? Because they know what to look for.

Luck is largely an excuse. There are times when something unforeseen happens. A player who's never been injured suffers an injury that alters their career, or a tragic accident happens off the field. But for the most part, whether a prospect pans out or not has very little to do with luck.
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Then why is it always the same franchises that are getting "lucky"? Because they know what to look for.

Luck is largely an excuse. There are times when something unforeseen happens. A player who's never been injured suffers an injury that alters their career, or a tragic accident happens off the field. But for the most part, whether a prospect pans out or not has very little to do with luck.
Teams are much luckier when they get their cornerstone player ... a QB . Teams that reach on a QB are unlucky .
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