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Old 03-23-2014   #221
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If we don't draft Manzel, Bridgewater or Bortles that probably means we take we are taking Clowney. If we do that, we are taking a chance on what QBs are left to draft in the 2nd round. We'd get the best of what's left, but would that be good enough to get them ready for the 2nd half of the season? And there's really only one or two after D. Carr that would be worth that first pick in the 2nd round.
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Wow, already hating on O'Brien before he's coached a single game here.

Why am I not surprised by this?
Wait, you mean I am not allowed to think the Fitzpatrick signing was a bad move? Fitzpatrick has never played a single game for the Texans either.

I'll tell you what Lucky. Why don't you just jot down for me what I am supposed to think, like, and approve of so I stop making all of these silly mistakes.

I mean what do you expect from someone as thick headed as me?
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So let me see if I have this right. I am supposed to believe that a rookie NFL head coach is going to draft a rookie (1st 2nd or 3rd Round) QB, none of which grade out as a number 1 pick, a journeyman QB who has a somewhat suspect NFL record, and is going to lead the Texans to the playoffs and on to the Super Bowl?

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With Schaub we would have committed $14.5M towards the 2014 cap for the "veteran QB" position. At least $7M for 2015.

With Fitzpatrick we have $13.35M (or something like that) committed towards the "veteran QB" position..... $4.6M for 2015 at most.


Net savings about $3.5M
I have a question that I can't answer. We are obligated for the $10.5M of signing bonus money we gave Schaub and it shows up in our Dead Money for this season.

Why doesn't Fitzpatricks $1.25M signing bonus with the Raiders show up against their cap instead of ours? They signed him. We didn't. The rest I understand.

Since the $4M guarantee equals his $1.25M signing bonus, his $1.75M salary and $1M Roster Bonus, it could mean we are only obligated to him for one season at $2.75M and the details just haven't been explained. This would give us essentially a free option for Fitzpatrick for $3.25M in 2015.

Something is amiss with including the signing bonus as a Texans obligation.
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This ain't American Idol or Survivor. It's the freakin' NFL draft. Bring it back to two days like god intended. We've been operating under suspense and speculation since February. What the hell is an extra five minutes gonna do for your ratings that the past five MONTHS have not?!?
I just want to know why they insist on going to commercial when it's our time to draft every year. If it's such a big deal, hold the draft up until after the commercials.
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If Fitzpatrick can be the QB that owned the Texans in 05 then I'm in.
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So let me see if I have this right. I am supposed to believe that a rookie NFL head coach is going to draft a rookie (1st 2nd or 3rd Round) QB, none of which grade out as a number 1 pick, a journeyman QB who has a somewhat suspect NFL record, and is going to lead the Texans to the playoffs and on to the Super Bowl?

Wait.. I'll be right back. My Unicorn got out of the barn.
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So let me see if I have this right. I am supposed to believe that a rookie NFL head coach is going to draft a rookie (1st 2nd or 3rd Round) QB, none of which grade out as a number 1 pick, a journeyman QB who has a somewhat suspect NFL record, and is going to lead the Texans to the playoffs and on to the Super Bowl?

Wait.. I'll be right back. My Unicorn got out of the barn.
Isn't that what the Harbaughs did?
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Why doesn't Fitzpatricks $1.25M signing bonus with the Raiders show up against their cap instead of ours? They signed him. We didn't. The rest I understand.
When did the Raiders sign Fitzpatrick?
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When did the Raiders sign Fitzpatrick?
Oops Somebody goofed. Probably me. I'll check the Titans to see if his dead money is there.

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed a two year, $7.25 million contract with the Tennessee Titans on March 20, 2014. $4 million of the contract is fully guaranteed including a $1.25 million signing bonus in 2014.

March 20 according to Over the Cap.

Even Stranger. Titan Cap shows $875,000 in dead money for Fitzpatrick.
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Oops Somebody goofed. Probably me. I'll check the Titans to see if his dead money is there.

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed a two year, $7.25 million contract with the Tennessee Titans on March 20, 2014. $4 million of the contract is fully guaranteed including a $1.25 million signing bonus in 2014.

March 20 according to Over the Cap.

Even Stranger. Titan Cap shows $875,000 in dead money for Fitzpatrick.
Why do you care what Fitzpatrick's dead money is for TN? He was cut and signed with the Texans as a UFA getting a whole new contract in the process.
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Good strategy. Already playin' for the #1 pick next year.
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Isn't that what the Harbaughs did?
You make a good point, but while Jim did go 13-3 and won the NFC West in his rookie season (2011). Jim Harbaugh did not go to the Super Bowl his rookie season let alone win it. His 49ers lost in the NFCCG to the Giants.

John Harbaugh guided the Ravens to an 11-5 record his rookie season (2008), earning a wild card berth. But after upset victories over the Dolphins & Titans, the Ravens fell to the Steelers in the AFCCG. (An interesting side note is that John Harbaugh only got the Ravens job after Jason Garrett turned down the offer.)

So while these are excellent examples of what could happen to the 2014 Texans, the only rookie head coach I know who went to the Super Bowl and also won it was George Siefert in 1989, but he took over the reigning 1988 champion 49ers from Bill Walsh, and I'm sorry, but Bill O'Brien is no George Siefert, Ryan Fitzpatrick is no Joe Montana, and the 2014 Texans are not 1989 SF 49ers.
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Why do you care what Fitzpatrick's dead money is for TN? He was cut and signed with the Texans as a UFA getting a whole new contract in the process.
I'm still catching up with what happened while I was in the hospital. I saw nothing of the Titans cut or the Texans signing as a UFA. That's really a lot to miss with a signing two days ago.

I'm sorry if I'm not up to speed enough for you. And why do you care what I care about. You're suppose to moderate, not dictate the discussion.

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So while these are excellent examples of what could happen to the 2014 Texans, the only rookie head coach I know who went to the Super Bowl and also won it was George Siefert in 1989...


Sorry, didn't know you meant all in one year. I'd be ok with winning the Super Bowl in 2015.
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I'm still catching up with what happened while I was in the hospital. I saw nothing of the Titans cut or the Texans signing as a UFA. That's really a lot to miss with a signing two days ago.

I'm sorry if I'm not up to speed enough for you. And why do you care what I care about. You're suppose to moderate, not dictate the discussion.

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Simmer down. I asked a question because your line of inquiry looked like you thought a trade was involved and if so filled in the detail of the UFA signing.
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I wonder if the team is making Fitz pay for his own custom helmet to fit that humongous melon of his.

One thing is sure he wont be underthrowing Andre.
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Hooshamazillyfitzpatrick!! "Championship!"
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Sorry, didn't know you meant all in one year. I'd be ok with winning the Super Bowl in 2015.
Even then. neither had Rookie QB's or the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick to work with so sorry bro, it's apples and oranges.
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Even then. neither had Rookie QB's or the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick to work with so sorry bro, it's apples and oranges.
The one in SanFrancisco had Alex Smith (before Harbaugh he could have been thought of in the same class as Fitzpatrick), & drafted a QB his first year. That QB became his starter in year two.

The one in Baltimore drafted Flacco when he first got there. Took him to the play offs for 5 years straight... winning the Super Bowl in year 5.

Pete Carol signed Matt Flyn (probably a tier above Fitzpatrick) & drafted Russell Wilson. He named Wilson the starter for week 1 & won the Super Bowl with Wilson in year two.

It's a pipe dream, but in our scenario Fitzpatrick is AlexSmith/Matt Flynn. We'll draft a QB, who will be a rookie. In 2015, he'll be a second year player.

I don't understand how that's an apples & oranges thing.
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