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Old 03-21-2014   #161
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I don't think any of those positions will be as hard to fill as QB and OLB.
lol considering we have done nothing to improve our cap really, and since we haven't signed anyone of importance but did cut some quality STARTERS, I think we're worse now than 1 month ago.
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Like the new Star Trek films, this is not a reboot. It is simply taking place in an alternate universe. OB's universe.
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We don't need pro bowlers or first/second/third round picks at every position.

We've got 14 pro bowl or 1st/2nd/3rd round picks on this team, 7 on both sides of the ball. We're just looking for role players to fill out the roster.

Chances are we won't be contenders for the 2014 Super Bowl, but we should put up a fight for the division.
Those same guys were here when we went 2-14.
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Those same guys were here when we went 2-14.
What's yer point?
Yes, and they were all very, very healthy.
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Those same guys were here when we went 2-14.
What's yer point?
We've got a team as talented as the Colts team that went 11-5 after a 2-14 season, & just as much as the Chiefs team that also went 11-5 after a 2-14 season.

Alex Smith~ Ryan Fitzpatrick...

Ok, I'm going to have to work on that.
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Not Rebuilding.

Find a good QB, and a good OLB and this team is ready to compete.
Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer.

This team is riddled with holes ... Sure there are some talented players scattered across the roster but ... there are more holes than solid positions.

Lets start on the OL where three of five positions are below average and at least two of them need a talent upgrade in RT and LG. I'm willing to give Brooks a year to prove he belongs. Newton was garbage , Wade Smith is not a starting caliber guard anymore , just a shadow of the former pro bowl player he once was.

Now lets look at the offensive backfield. We have Nothing , absolutely Nothing at QB. Yates , Keenum & Fitzpatrick ....Foster coming off a year where he did diddly squat and sat out half of the season. Ben Tate is now in Cleveland & we still have ... Nothing at QB.

TE- OD gone , Graham is solid & I expect Griffin to make a contribution. Who's that camp body they signed ?! I forget his name.

WR - Behind #80 and Hopkins there aint much talent.


Defensive line , you got Watt and .... who ?! Oh , Jared Crick .... Earl Mitchell is gone , Ninja is gone. Ok , they signed underachiever Jerrell Powe but need 2-3 more guy's capable of making a contribution.


LBers - Cushing , Reed , Mercilus .... and a not much more. Cushing coming off a second season ending injury.

Corners - KJax played well , JJo was hot and cold , injured often. McCain is gone.

Safety is the one position group that doesn't need a major talent infusion as Manning , Swearinger & Keo are at least capable .... as long as Manning is healthy.


Here's the list of holes just to help you understand in simple visual terms:

QB - when QB is at the top of your need list , you aint winning many games.
RT
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You could add TE & WR to the list of needs.

DT/NT
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Notice thee positions of need in the front seven .... Sure , you got JJ Watt but you don't have clones to fill those other spots.

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We've got a team as talented as the Colts team that went 11-5 after a 2-14 season, & just as much as the Chiefs team that also went 11-5 after a 2-14 season.

Alex Smith~ Ryan Fitzpatrick...

Ok, I'm going to have to work on that.

I wont disagree with the fact that this team is more talented at many positions than that Dolts team .... but they do have more holes and no Andrew Luck to plug into the most important hole.
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Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer.

This team is riddled with holes ... Sure there are some talented players scattered across the roster but ... there are more holes than solid positions.
How do we compare to the Jags, the Titans, the Browns, the Bills, Raiders, Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins, Steelers, Giants, Bengals, & Ravens?
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The premium talent on this team covered up the holes for a couple of years. But eventually our weaknesses were exposed and exploited.

The overall talent on this roster is pathetically bad. We just have a few special pieces that make it look better.
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How do we compare to the Jags, the Titans, the Browns, the Bills, Raiders, Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins, Steelers, Giants, Bengals, & Ravens?
Each team you listed has some very good players , I think you can separate that list into two groups tho - Those who have a quarterback and those who don't and then look at the foundational players each team has or lacks.

Texans , Jags , Tinbreds , Browns , Bills .... need quarterbacks.

The Texans definitely have more talented players than any team in this group. None of those squads has a JJ Watt , Cushing or #80.


Cowpies , Iggles , Injuns , Steelers & Giants have established quarterbacks.

The Cowpies are hard to get a grip on , that coach is a yes man .... and their owner/GM is playing real life Madden. They have (had) some great players but have been horribly mismanaged for a decade.

The Iggles started the season without a quarterback and found a good one , finishing the season strong. They also have a couple other very solid foundational players. Probably a better overall roster than the Texans tho the Texans have greater "star power."

The Injuns had a broken part at quarterback & it showed in their record. They do have some talent to work with , arguably less than the Texans in terms of stars / foundational players. If RG3 gets healthy , they are better right now.


The Giants have a QB who's won two Lombardi Trophy's. Can someone block for that guy before he gets broke ?! Again , a better roster with less star power than the Texans.

The Steelers have a very good QB , who much like Eli needs help up front. The defense doesn't have the same talent it did in past seasons either. Better QB than the Texans but they may have more holes to fill and their stars are aging or history.
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The premium talent on this team covered up the holes for a couple of years. But eventually our weaknesses were exposed and exploited.

The overall talent on this roster is pathetically bad. We just have a few special pieces that make it look better.
Agreed. The overall roster talent is bottom 10 in the league. The top guys like Watt, Andre, Foster, Cushing, etc. make it look a lot better than it really is.
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The premium talent on this team covered up the holes for a couple of years. But eventually our weaknesses were exposed and exploited.

The overall talent on this roster is pathetically bad. We just have a few special pieces that make it look better.
Right ,we have arguably as much "star talent" as any team in the league. But we are lacking in overall talent ..... and have a glaring hole at the most important position on the field.
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Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer.

This team is riddled with holes ... Sure there are some talented players scattered across the roster but ... there are more holes than solid positions.

Lets start on the OL where three of five positions are below average and at least two of them need a talent upgrade in RT and LG. I'm willing to give Brooks a year to prove he belongs. Newton was garbage , Wade Smith is not a starting caliber guard anymore , just a shadow of the former pro bowl player he once was.

Now lets look at the offensive backfield. We have Nothing , absolutely Nothing at QB. Yates , Keenum & Fitzpatrick ....Foster coming off a year where he did diddly squat and sat out half of the season. Ben Tate is now in Cleveland & we still have ... Nothing at QB.

TE- OD gone , Graham is solid & I expect Griffin to make a contribution. Who's that camp body they signed ?! I forget his name.

WR - Behind #80 and Hopkins there aint much talent.


Defensive line , you got Watt and .... who ?! Oh , Jared Crick .... Earl Mitchell is gone , Ninja is gone. Ok , they signed underachiever Jerrell Powe but need 2-3 more guy's capable of making a contribution.


LBers - Cushing , Reed , Mercilus .... and a not much more. Cushing coming off a second season ending injury.

Corners - KJax played well , JJo was hot and cold , injured often. McCain is gone.

Safety is the one position group that doesn't need a major talent infusion as Manning , Swearinger & Keo are at least capable .... as long as Manning is healthy.


Here's the list of holes just to help you understand in simple visual terms:

QB - when QB is at the top of your need list , you aint winning many games.
RT
LG
RB

You could add TE & WR to the list of needs.

DT/NT
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ILB
CB

Notice thee positions of need in the front seven .... Sure , you got JJ Watt but you don't have clones to fill those other spots.




I wont disagree with the fact that this team is more talented at many positions than that Dolts team .... but they do have more holes and no Andrew Luck to plug into the most important hole.

RB and CB is not a hole, I would not consider Foster, Joseph, and Jackson players that leave a "hole" at their position.

We need depth at many positions and do have holes but don't think those 2 positions are holes, those are quality starters.
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Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer.
You must have a hole in your head if you think this team won't compete next year.
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Here's the list of holes just to help you understand in simple visual terms:

QB - when QB is at the top of your need list , you aint winning many games.
RT
LG

RB - Back up will be fine

Defense

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CB - Back up will be fine
We definitely need those 6 holes fixed with starters. More likely in draft. Lets see what talent level we get at those positions.
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Each team you listed has some very good players , I think you can separate that list into two groups tho - Those who have a quarterback and those who don't and then look at the foundational players each team has or lacks.

Texans , Jags , Tinbreds , Browns , Bills .... need quarterbacks.

The Texans definitely have more talented players than any team in this group. None of those squads has a JJ Watt , Cushing or #80.


Cowpies , Iggles , Injuns , Steelers & Giants have established quarterbacks.

The Cowpies are hard to get a grip on , that coach is a yes man .... and their owner/GM is playing real life Madden. They have (had) some great players but have been horribly mismanaged for a decade.

The Iggles started the season without a quarterback and found a good one , finishing the season strong. They also have a couple other very solid foundational players. Probably a better overall roster than the Texans tho the Texans have greater "star power."

The Injuns had a broken part at quarterback & it showed in their record. They do have some talent to work with , arguably less than the Texans in terms of stars / foundational players. If RG3 gets healthy , they are better right now.


The Giants have a QB who's won two Lombardi Trophy's. Can someone block for that guy before he gets broke ?! Again , a better roster with less star power than the Texans.

The Steelers have a very good QB , who much like Eli needs help up front. The defense doesn't have the same talent it did in past seasons either. Better QB than the Texans but they may have more holes to fill and their stars are aging or history.
So 8+ wins against that motley crew isn't out of the question??
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RB and CB is not a hole, I would not consider Foster, Joseph, and Jackson players that leave a "hole" at their position.

We need depth at many positions and do have holes but don't think those 2 positions are holes, those are quality starters.
Cornerback that 3rd guy is basically a starter ... Most teams are in nickel & dime packages greater than half the time. That 3rd spot is most definitely a hole as there is nothing on the roster beyond KJax and JJo.


Running back is a little different , Foster when healthy is a top 5 guy at the position. Thing is , will he be healthy ?? If so the position is of little concern. If he misses half the season again , that's a hole.
I think history reminds us that we should err on the side of caution with Foster. Remember the last time we went into a season counting on a RB coming back off of injury ?? ... He was never the same.
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So 8+ wins against that motley crew isn't out of the question??
It aint out of the question .... but there are a whole lotta if's & buts.

I'm preparing myself for a sub .500 season .... If they accomplish anything better .... I'll be satisfied.
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RB and CB is not a hole, I would not consider Foster, Joseph, and Jackson players that leave a "hole" at their position.
I think the Texans need a quality backup considering Foster's injury history. Plus, they probably need a Danny Woodhead type back. Nickel corner is pretty much a starting position in the NFL. And the Texans don't have one. So yeah, that has to be considered a "hole".

I'm concerned about the OLB position. Whether the personnel the Texans have on the d-line match with what Crennel needs. And of course, I'm very concerned about the RT spot. The Texans don't have all pros at every position. No team does. What the good teams are able to do is mask their weaknesses and emphasize their strengths. I don't expect a Super Bowl championship this season. But, I would like to see a team that overcomes some of their weaknesses and overachieves. I don't think that's asking for too much.
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HA!! You and I collectively don't have enough fingers and toes to fill the holes.
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I think the Texans need a quality backup considering Foster's injury history. Plus, they probably need a Danny Woodhead type back. Nickel corner is pretty much a starting position in the NFL. And the Texans don't have one. So yeah, that has to be considered a "hole".

I'm concerned about the OLB position. Whether the personnel the Texans have on the d-line match with what Crennel needs. And of course, I'm very concerned about the RT spot. The Texans don't have all pros at every position. No team does. What the good teams are able to do is mask their weaknesses and emphasize their strengths. I don't expect a Super Bowl championship this season. But, I would like to see a team that overcomes some of their weaknesses and overachieves. I don't think that's asking for too much.
I agree and so do quite a few draftniks over in the college board. Expect to hear a name like Dri Archer called in the 5th, possibly even the 4th round.
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