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Old 03-21-2014   #141
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Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0

If they brought him in to get the drafted QB acclimated with NFL processes and act as a mentor from the professionalism perspective that's fine. Even if he had to come in for limited back-duty for some reason I wouldn't panic, but if we start him we are screwed.

One thing I do think this assures is that drafting JFF isnt going to happen. We are either going with Bortles if we take a QB at #1, or we are going in a different direction and grabbing a QB late in the first (if we work a trade), or with our 2nd pick.
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Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0
At the very least, he gives our rookie QB someone to beat in training camp other than Case Keenum.

He gives Case Keenum someone other than a rookie to beat out in training camp.

I'm not thrilled with the Fitzpatrick signing, but I'd feel better about a rookie, Case, or Tj starting if they had to beat out Fitz than just pulling each other's pud.
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At the very least, he gives our rookie QB someone to beat in training camp other than Case Keenum.

He gives Case Keenum someone other than a rookie to beat out in training camp.

I'm not thrilled with the Fitzpatrick signing, but I'd feel better about a rookie, Case, or Tj starting if they had to beat out Fitz than just pulling each other's pud.
This is pretty much where I'm at with this.
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Interesting signing, but also concerning. I don't want RF starting ... ever. He is Matt Schaub 2.0

If they brought him in to get the drafted QB acclimated with NFL processes and act as a mentor from the professionalism perspective that's fine. Even if he had to come in for limited back-duty for some reason I wouldn't panic, but if we start him we are screwed.

One thing I do think this assures is that drafting JFF isnt going to happen. We are either going with Bortles if we take a QB at #1, or we are going in a different direction and grabbing a QB late in the first (if we work a trade), or with our 2nd pick.
He is Schaub 2.0 but at a much, much cheaper price to be a backup. I don't know if they expect Bortles to start right away or if they are gonna use RF for part of the season then give the keys to Bortles mid way...

Either way, this is becoming a very interesting off season...
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He is Schaub 2.0 but at a much, much cheaper price to be a backup....
With Schaub we would have committed $14.5M towards the 2014 cap for the "veteran QB" position. At least $7M for 2015.

With Fitzpatrick we have $13.35M (or something like that) committed towards the "veteran QB" position..... $4.6M for 2015 at most.


Net savings about $3.5M
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Not happy with the way this is heading bringing in a bad QB to do what Schaub could have done then maybe drafting a QB this just makes no sense.
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Not happy with the way this is heading bringing in a bad QB to do what Schaub could have done then maybe drafting a QB this just makes no sense.
For half the money and to get rid of the stink from 2013


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Not happy with the way this is heading bringing in a bad QB to do what Schaub could have done then maybe drafting a QB this just makes no sense.
He wore out his welcome with the masses. The fan backlash to seeing #8 trotting out on opening day would have been astronomical. Replacing him was a must.
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My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
He's won more than zero games. He didn't have two decent halves of football followed by complete and utter incompetence. Keenum is garbage that wouldn't have had a shred of attention is he had played at Colorado School of Mines or Boulder Academy for the Hearing Impaired. He's a fringe player and you have to move on. Sign a more proven vet, draft a guy in rounds 2 or 3, and move on.
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I got this funny feeling that OB is planning on playing Fitzpatrick this season. I don't want to think that but I can't convince myself otherwise. Unless that QB (probably Bortles) comes in and grabs the reigns and runs away with the job I think our starter just got signed.

Why is there no smiley for "I think I just threw up in the back of my mouth a little?"
This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3. They bring in Fitzpatrick knowing he's smart enough to get the system even if he isn't going to be great. He's able to at least start.

Then you draft a QB you're pretty sure you can develop but you don't know how fast. Sure, that might be Bortles or Bridgewater but it might be Garoppolo or Carr or someone else.

If your rookie QB beats out Fitzpatrick, great. If not, that's fine, too. If this rookie doesn't work out, then we'll probably be in a better position next year to draft a NEW rookie QB from (supposedly) a better crop of QBs.

Does this mean we might have a few years of suck if things go wrong? Yeah. But we had that anyway.
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This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3. They bring in Fitzpatrick knowing he's smart enough to get the system even if he isn't going to be great. He's able to at least start.

Then you draft a QB you're pretty sure you can develop but you don't know how fast. Sure, that might be Bortles or Bridgewater but it might be Garoppolo or Carr or someone else.

If your rookie QB beats out Fitzpatrick, great. If not, that's fine, too. If this rookie doesn't work out, then we'll probably be in a better position next year to draft a NEW rookie QB from (supposedly) a better crop of QBs.

Does this mean we might have a few years of suck if things go wrong? Yeah. But we had that anyway.
That's all I think this means - they don't want to have to start their choice for future starter immediately.
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This is one reason I think they might have someone in mind for rookie QB other than the top 3.
Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.
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Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.
Agreed. Fitz may start a few games, but in reality it has no bearing on what we do. BOB seems to be sold on who he wants at 1.1. Fitz may groom a guy picked later and get a few starts, but whoever we eventually draft, BOB will be all over them to get ready. This qb will be tied to BOBs legacy.
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Initially, I felt the same way, but:

We WERE going to bring in a vet qb no matter what.

Be it fitz or whomever I dont think it has an impact on our #1 pick. Now had we traded for Mallet or made some kind of giant splash in another trade id agree.
Exactly. This move doesn't mean anything when it comes to our draft. You always want to have a vet, even if you're going with a QB at 1.1.

Carson Palmer had John Kitna. Eli had Kurt Warner. Leinart had Kurt Warner. Luck had Hasselbeck.
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BOB seems to be sold on who he wants at 1.1.

Can you explain why you think this is true? I haven't seen anything so far to say he is locked in on one player
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Can you explain why you think this is true? I haven't seen anything so far to say he is locked in on one player
He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO
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He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO

Yep. I think Bill knows who he wants and is ready to roll. Whether everyone else knows who they want is another issue, but, Bill has made his decision.


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He walks out of Blakes pro day saying hes seen enough. He adds another vet qb and trades Schaub. He just seems like a guy who knows what he wants. I dont know who he wants, but to me BOB seems like hes ready at 1.1 JMO
"He's seen enough" could also be translated as "This guy sucks." It really only means "Whatever I believed walking in here, I've already had confirmed." It doesn't say anything about what he believed going in.
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Yeah...I think we are taking Bortles too.
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"He's seen enough" could also be translated as "This guy sucks." It really only means "Whatever I believed walking in here, I've already had confirmed." It doesn't say anything about what he believed going in.
So a guy scoring a 10 out of 10 from a HOF former QB would get a "this guy sucks" from our new HC? Hope not. Otherwise we made a bad hire. I think it is safe to say BoB likes Bortles. He has a history with BB's college coach and unless O'Leary told him BB was the real deal then BoB wouldn't have even been at the pro-day.
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