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Old 03-18-2014   #141
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In addition I don't have the highest confidence in the Texans new OL Coach, Paul Dunn. Dunn was fired this year by Atlanta because the running game suffered under his tutleage. Dunn's OL gave up 44 Sacks Allowed and ranked in the Top 10 in QB Pressures.
In Dunn's defense, this was his starting O-Line in Atlanta last year....

LT - Lamar Holmes
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Sam Baker (LT) missed 12 games and Atlanta let both Reynolds and Trueblood walk in FA. I don't put much blame on him, but that's just me. Atlanta has had a pretty poor line for a couple of years now, but IMO that has more to do with how little talent they have acquired over the years.
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Sam Baker (LT) missed 12 games and Atlanta let both Reynolds and Trueblood walk in FA. I don't put much blame on him, but that's just me. Atlanta has had a pretty poor line for a couple of years now, but IMO that has more to do with how little talent they have acquired over the years.
Plus their RBs have been subpar.
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Plus their RBs have been subpar.
Turner had a good run, but got old and lost his legs. Same with Jackson. Those guys can't create yards anymore so you're not helping them at all by throwing a crap OL out there in front of them.
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Who put the team in this position? Who thought these contracts were a good idea?

Rick/Gary/Olson/Wade

Did Gary sign off on the offense contracts/(Schaub,Foster) did Wade sign off on defense? Was this Rick's idea or did Olson have to sign off on everything.

I'm just wondering what your opinion of the orgs financial team is?
Your problem is you keep looking for one guy to blame. There is no "one guy" unless you want to go with "the buck stops here" approach, then it's Bob McNair. It's his money so, bottom line, he has to sign off on everything.

But I don't think there's "one guy". It's the coordinators and the head coach who establish player performance level and necessity to their scheme. They establish who's working well and therefore who's worth paying. It's Rick's job to pay them no more than the "going rate" (at the time the contract is agreed to) based on past and anticipated future level of performance. This is the tricky part because you're mostly guessing how good a guy is going to be. Finally, it's Olsen's job to make sure we stay out of Cap Hell while fitting as many quality players (as identified by the coaching staff) as we can under the cap.

Future performance, no matter who it is, is a roll of the dice.
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It's Rick's job to pay them no more than the "going rate" (at the time the contract is agreed to) based on past and anticipated future level of performance. This is the tricky part because you're mostly guessing how good a guy is going to be.
Excellent point and throw in guessing about what the future of the going rate will be. Generally there is a gradual incline across all positions with the growth of the cap. But RB has taken a sharp hit since Foster's deal was signed that I don't think anyone saw coming. I don't hold something like that against the decision makers.
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You like to only use portions of the facts.

1) the Texans were already a ZBS team when Gibbs got here but were not utilizing the cut block.
2) it didn't take two years for Gibbs to teach it. It took two years for the Texans to find a competent and healthy RB to run behind the OL.
3) you have no idea how extensive any changes may be to the running schemes.
1. Sherman tried to use a variation of ZBS but also he tried to incorporate a power run game. Neither of which were very successful.

2. No it does. Gibbs and the OL he has coached are on record as saying it takes two years to become comfortable in Gibbs system and learrning all the different blocking assignments.

3. There will be changes

4. Once again you're venturing into a conversation where you probably shouldn't.
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Your problem is you keep looking for one guy to blame. There is no "one guy" unless you want to go with "the buck stops here" approach, then it's Bob McNair. It's his money so, bottom line, he has to sign off on everything.

But I don't think there's "one guy". It's the coordinators and the head coach who establish player performance level and necessity to their scheme. They establish who's working well and therefore who's worth paying. It's Rick's job to pay them no more than the "going rate" (at the time the contract is agreed to) based on past and anticipated future level of performance. This is the tricky part because you're mostly guessing how good a guy is going to be. Finally, it's Olsen's job to make sure we stay out of Cap Hell while fitting as many quality players (as identified by the coaching staff) as we can under the cap.

Future performance, no matter who it is, is a roll of the dice.
The discussion/debate about Foster's contract is he could've been tendered for $2 million the same year he signed the $8million per yr + contract.

In regards to one person being responsible, that belonged to Kubiak, he's the one who said make it happen and it was up to Smith and Olsen to make it so. That's pretty much SOP and what happens and is carried out starting with the person with final say on the 53 man roster, which Kubiak did have. IMHO I think Bill O'Brien also has FINAL SAY on the 53 man roster although it will be presented as a collaborative collective effort. However, Bob McNair will always have SELECTIVE INTERFERENCE (Ed REED).
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The discussion/debate about Foster's contract is he could've been tendered for $2 million the same year he signed the $8million per yr + contract.
why would you tender him when he'd given you 3 very solid years from 2010 - 2012. He had over 5000 yds and 40+ TDs. Only two other back had 5000 yds over that stretch - Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson - and neither of them had 40+ TDs. Why would you not want to lock up that performance level? That's where the "guessing on future performance" comes in. Maybe I should have said "gambling on future performance" because that's closer to the truth.

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In regards to one person being responsible, that belonged to Kubiak, he's the one who said make it happen and it was up to Smith and Olsen to make it so. That's pretty much SOP and what happens and is carried out starting with the person with final say on the 53 man roster, which Kubiak did have. IMHO I think Bill O'Brien also has FINAL SAY on the 53 man roster although it will be presented as a collaborative collective effort. However, Bob McNair will always have SELECTIVE INTERFERENCE (Ed REED).
I'm thinking that McNair has selectively interfered other times too; the extension of Carr, most likely Schaub's contract (you'll not convince me that Uncle Bob didn't dictate we wrap him up)... Signing Mario... Making A.J. the highest paid WR in the league (at that time). There are probably others we have no insight into.
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Who put the team in this position? Who thought these contracts were a good idea?

Rick/Gary/Olson/Wade

Did Gary sign off on the offense contracts/(Schaub,Foster) did Wade sign off on defense? Was this Rick's idea or did Olson have to sign off on everything.

I'm just wondering what your opinion of the orgs financial team is?
Smith & Olson in work in tandem on contracts. Coaches aren't involved in that aspect for the most part. They just say "find me a player with these qualities" or "I think this guy has the skillset to help us win." Its up to Smith to find them , Smith & Olson to work out the contract / cap details.


Honestly I don't fault them for the cap situation last season , nor the current situation.
They had a team they thought could contend for a super bowl , they went all in with that team. Now they have to eat those contracts and clear the books for another shot.
I'd be much more upset if they hadn't gone all in with last years team considering the expectations. Schaub breaking down just wasn't something they could predict after his consistent play over the last several seasons.
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why would you tender him when he'd given you 3 very solid years from 2010 - 2012.
For starters $6 million savings. Texans would not have had to make all the cuts and trade Ryans. Two solid years, he signed his extension, March 2012.
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For starters $6 million savings. Texans would not have had to make all the cuts and trade Ryans. Two solid years, he signed his extension, March 2012.
Since he led the league in rushing TDs and carries that year, it didn't look like a horrible investment did it?

This is another one of those times when you have to wonder if McNair (or Kubiak) directed Smith to "lock him up".
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Since he led the league in rushing TDs and carries that year, it didn't look like a horrible investment did it?

This is another one of those times when you have to wonder if McNair (or Kubiak) directed Smith to "lock him up".
horrible investment? There is a valid argument that is was the thing to do (What a Head Coach would do). There is also a valid argument that is was not a responsible prudent business decision. (What a GM wouldn't do).

You make another valid observation about McNair's Selective Interference. I have heard Bob say on multiple occasions, we have the cash to spend and we're going to spend it. Bob's spending history, as you have noted, suggest Bob's spending plan resembles "making it rain" vs smart prudent responsible salary cap management.

IMHO, most folks and fans wanted to believe that the Texans front office is the epitome and perfect picture of a professional business model (me included). Ship shape, squared away and buttoned down. That shine is losing it luster. The Texans front office is likely more dysfunctional than many of us wanted to believe.
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remember when we were kings of da South back two back Div champs and Were the bengals Daddyy


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We just signed Ryan Fitzpatrick, you better believe we are rebuilding.
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Not Rebuilding.

Find a good QB, and a good OLB and this team is ready to compete.
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Not Rebuilding.

Find a good QB, and a good OLB and this team is ready to compete.
and sprinkle in a good RT, RG, CB, Nickle CB, RB, MLB and hope that your starting RB comes back from back injury and your good to go.
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Like the new Star Trek films, this is not a reboot. It is simply taking place in an alternate universe. OB's universe.
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and sprinkle in a good RT, RG, CB, Nickle CB, RB, MLB and hope that your starting RB comes back from back injury and your good to go.
I don't think any of those positions will be as hard to fill as QB and OLB.
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and sprinkle in a good RT, RG, CB, Nickle CB, RB, MLB and hope that your starting RB comes back from back injury and your good to go.
QB, Rt, Lg, Rg (not ready to trust brooks fully), Rb#2, possinly a slot wr, Nt (depth or starter depending on your opinion of powe), De, Olb, ilb, ilb depth, Nickle, safety.





Outside of that we're all good. DYNASTY!
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We don't need pro bowlers or first/second/third round picks at every position.

We've got 14 pro bowl or 1st/2nd/3rd round picks on this team, 7 on both sides of the ball. We're just looking for role players to fill out the roster.

Chances are we won't be contenders for the 2014 Super Bowl, but we should put up a fight for the division.
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