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Old 03-21-2014   #161
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Depends on how you want to look at it.

One thing though, we get a draft pick. May be a 6th, may be a 7th... but if this pick gets bundled with some other asset to improve our team in the future.... say our 3rd plus this pick for Mallet, or our second, this pick, & Case Keenum to move up to the 27th pick... whatever...

Even if we use it to draft Tom Savage I think it's better than whatever additional space we were going to free up & most likely not use.
I disagree completely. we should have June 1st cut him and created 10 million in space, then signed a couple guys to fill major holes on this team. Last I looked we need a new, de, ilb, upgrade at olb, another nt, a slot cb, a te, rt, g, qb. Yup lets just get a measly 6th round pick and only save 3.5 million rather than gain 10 m and sign a few guys to IMPROVE our team. This whole organization does dumb ****.
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Raiders doctors been feeling frisky, could they nix this trade a la Rodger Saffold?
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Bringing Fitzpatrick on...now ditching Schaub... looks like BOB is gonna be rolling with 3 qb's on his roster with his 2014 drafted qb firmly entrenched as the #3. Basically to ensure his qb of the future will not be called into duty under any circumstances this year ....which screams late round developmental qb to me..Mettenberger..Fales...Garappalo.

Or he could do like GB did with Rodgers & take 1 of the 3 top guys somewhere in the 1st after a small trade down from 1:1 & then stash him.
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I disagree completely. we should have June 1st cut him and created 10 million in space, then signed a couple guys to fill major holes on this team. Last I looked we need a new, de, ilb, upgrade at olb, another nt, a slot cb, a te, rt, g, qb. Yup lets just get a measly 6th round pick and only save 3.5 million rather than gain 10 m and sign a few guys to IMPROVE our team. This whole organization does dumb ****.
That extra money will be there next year to improve the team. Both avenues had their pros and cons, not sure why you would take such an extreme stance on it. How far can we really go this year?
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Knowing the difference between a guess and an opinion is a decent trait ...
Dont be mad that I called you out for a BS post. You have literally no idea what you are talking about. But carry on.
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That extra money will be there next year to improve the team. Both avenues had their pros and cons, not sure why you would take such an extreme stance on it. How far can we really go this year?
We have an entire new coaching staff and this year we can sign a few guys and let them learn the system, giving us a great chance next season. instead we will throw scrubs out there, waste another year of our prime players time and then have to have those other guys learn the system in 2015, thus wasting another season. not to mention JJ will be due some money next year, so don't think for a minute that most of that money will be there for us, because it won't.

Guess mediocrity is something Houston fans like
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We have an entire new coaching staff and this year we can sign a few guys and let them learn the system, giving us a great chance next season. instead we will throw scrubs out there, waste another year of our prime players time and then have to have those other guys learn the system in 2015, thus wasting another season. not to mention JJ will be due some money next year, so don't think for a minute that most of that money will be there for us, because it won't.

Guess mediocrity is something Houston fans like
But if we spend the money for JJ this year how can we pay him next year in your scenario?
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We have an entire new coaching staff and this year we can sign a few guys and let them learn the system, giving us a great chance next season. instead we will throw scrubs out there, waste another year of our prime players time and then have to have those other guys learn the system in 2015, thus wasting another season. not to mention JJ will be due some money next year, so don't think for a minute that most of that money will be there for us, because it won't.

Guess mediocrity is something Houston fans like
frustrating as hell, isn't it? Watching teams like Denver sign Talib, Ware and Ward to make another SB run and the Texans sign Fitzpatrick and man named Powe to just save money....

Something is broken and it needs to be fixed over on Kirby...
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I prefer absorbing everything next year so we are free to pay JJ and make an impact free agent signing or two next year as we push towards contention!
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frustrating as hell, isn't it? Watching teams like Denver sign Talib, Ware and Ward to make another SB run and the Texans sign Fitzpatrick and man named Powe to just save money....

Something is broken and it needs to be fixed over on Kirby...
And how will you feel when Peyton chokes in the playoffs again as usual. Money well spent?

When Peyton retires in a year the Broncos will be in a new kind of cap hell.
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We have an entire new coaching staff and this year we can sign a few guys and let them learn the system, giving us a great chance next season. instead we will throw scrubs out there, waste another year of our prime players time and then have to have those other guys learn the system in 2015, thus wasting another season. not to mention JJ will be due some money next year, so don't think for a minute that most of that money will be there for us, because it won't.



Guess mediocrity is something Houston fans like

Or how about you give BOB the benefit of the doubt and allow him to construct his team the way he sees fit first then wait and see where it takes us. Don't knock this coaching staff who have yet to coach a game for this team nor even make his first pick from the draft yet from previous regimes failures.....
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People want to spend this year must think the Texans are actually close to contending. Idiots.
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frustrating as hell, isn't it? Watching teams like Denver sign Talib, Ware and Ward to make another SB run and the Texans sign Fitzpatrick and man named Powe to just save money....

Something is broken and it needs to be fixed over on Kirby...
Rick shafted us on the cap so we don't have the ability to do what Denver did.

Hopefully the next major cut in the organization will be Smith, either this year or next.

For now we have to make the best with what we have and draft wisely.
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People want to spend this year must think the Texans are actually close to contending. Idiots.
Don't think I would go as far as categorizing them as idiots.

Sure, contention this year isn't likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if we can get a good QB , if we don't make a strong run at getting a wildcard spot. Maybe 8-8ish is a more realistic expectation for the optimists among us , but I think we still have a decent core group and can win some games.
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But if we spend the money for JJ this year how can we pay him next year in your scenario?
Do you have an understanding of how the cap works? Do you think money "left over" just carries over next season? If done correctly we will have no problems signing free agents now and having money for JJ. This was one of the best free agency classes EVER and yet we signed Fitzpatrick.
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Do you have an understanding of how the cap works? Do you think money "left over" just carries over next season?
Do you? Money left over does carry over (with limitations).
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Don't think I would go as far as categorizing them as idiots.

Sure, contention this year isn't likely, but I wouldn't be surprised if we can get a good QB , if we don't make a strong run at getting a wildcard spot. Maybe 8-8ish is a more realistic expectation for the optimists among us , but I think we still have a decent core group and can win some games.
Man you are assuming our defense stops playing garbage. I think the team peaked in 2012 and we are in full rebuild mode after last seasons dropoff. I'd like to think we are close to being good again, but I seriously doubt it.
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I've been on the fence about Rick Smith. He should be somewhat responsible for the mess this team is in. However, getting anything in return for Schaub is pure genius, IMO.


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People actually think we aren't in full rebuild mode? Yeesh. Don't expect much next year.

I'm all for the clean slate. I hated everything about the "Clean, Nice Guy" approach. Texans were SOFT under Gary.
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