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Old 03-20-2014   #101
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Yessir. It was in fact his first game as a pro... Certainly it was his best EVER!!

That said, it stung a lot, but didn't he beat the Texans as a Buffalo Bill also?

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I think as an organization the Texas pretty much know next season is a transition year and they'll take a QB next season, be it Winston, Mariota, Hundley or whoever.
So the Texans are writing off two seasons right now? I wouldn't bet on it.
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I'm fine with this signing, I would have been OK if O'Brien wanted to retain Schaub as his staring QB for 2014 because it's the new HC for the Texans and he deserves the benefit of the doubt during his rookie year, a honeymoon with the fans (atleast this one) if you will for awhile. Gotta sit back and see where his decisions take us, McNair is doing just that and he's got a lot more riding on O'Brien than any of us do.
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The 2005 Texans were 2-14 (we've come a long way). The defense was a bottom feeder in most categories. It was eight and a half years ago, a long NFL career, statistically speaking. I'm so impressed.

The good news is I don't know exactly what the Texans have in mind so I wait.
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Harvard guy stuck around the NFL for this long. Impressive.
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Call me crazy, but I can get behind Fitz more than I can Schaub.
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Call me crazy, but I can get behind Fitz more than I can Schaub.
That's because he hasn't done anything awful to the team yet.
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O'Brian plans to start him. Draft & develop somebody but not from 1st rd. If I remember correctly he can throw a decent deep ball. I don't know, its been a strange, strange year
My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
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My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.
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My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million. I don't even like Keenum much, but I don't think Fitz gives us a considerably better chance of winning games over him. Certainly not 4 million dollars worth.
I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer, OB chewed his asz, so when Fitzpatrick came around he blurted out two years 7.5M (which is what he should have offered Cassel)...... then OB chewed his asz out again.
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I bet Rick Smith insulted Cassel with a one year 1.5M offer, OB chewed his asz, so when Fitzpatrick came around he blurted out two years 7.5M (which is what he should have offered Cassel)...... then OB chewed his asz out again.
I'll bet OB beat Rick Smith with a My Little Pony while chewing his asz out the second time.

But my other crystal ball says pumpkins.
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My problem is that they just gave him 4 million of our future capspace. I don't mind the player, but what does Fitzpatrick give you that a minimum salary Case Keenum doesn't? Experience? Is that it? You could sign a number of older vets for minimum deals and save ~3.5 million.
I'm not sure who these older vets that are playing for minimum deals are. Names? As to why not just Case, I think Fitz brings in a different dynamic into the meeting room and the practice field. He's seen a lot of things the rookie and Case haven't. That's going to help. And Fitz comes in knowing that he's not going to be the man long term. The rookie will be comfortable coming to him for advice.

And the guaranteed money is $4 million. Not $29 million. $4 million in a $133 million cap is not a huge deal. Especially for a team that has decided not to make a big splash in free agency this year.
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That's where I am. We could have signed Brandon Spikes and Brandon Browner for that money and rolled with Keenum.
I am pretty meh on the whole thing...Fitzpatrick is signed at the going rate for 30 year dudes who you really don't want starting more than a couple of games. but then again I think keenum's upside is Ryan Fitzpatrick and his reality less than that.
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I am pretty meh on the whole thing...Fitzpatrick is signed at the going rate for 30 year dudes who you really don't want starting more than a couple of games. but then again I think keenum's upside is Ryan Fitzpatrick and his reality less than that.
Agreed with you and Lucky that it isn't a big deal. Not my preference but it is what it is.
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Agreed with you and Lucky that it isn't a big deal. Not my preference but it is what it is.
I may be biased, but Ryan Fitzpatrick was never given the opportunity to really shine. He's always played for mediocre teams. Fitzpatrick may not be a gunslinger, but he's someone who can start for an NFL team and still win. I wasn't convinced of that when I saw Case. With Case, I saw a QB who couldn't read the blitz and as a result took unnecessary sacks.

Fitzpatrick can get you a win if you don't need him to throw 40+ passes a game. He's a smart player, can make some plays with his legs and avoid unnecessary sacks. I don't think it's a bad signing. At this point, I'd say he's easily the best QB on our roster, which is not saying much, but I believe he's as good fit for whatever system OB wants to put into place. Fitzpatrick is obviously not a long-term solution, but he's a decent starting QB so we can use the draft to fill other needs on the team.
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I'm not sure who these older vets that are playing for minimum deals are. Names? As to why not just Case, I think Fitz brings in a different dynamic into the meeting room and the practice field. He's seen a lot of things the rookie and Case haven't. That's going to help. And Fitz comes in knowing that he's not going to be the man long term. The rookie will be comfortable coming to him for advice.

And the guaranteed money is $4 million. Not $29 million. $4 million in a $133 million cap is not a huge deal. Especially for a team that has decided not to make a big splash in free agency this year.
Here are the cheapest QBs from last year:

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David Garrard	Jets	$1,000,000
Rex Grossman	Redskins	$960,000
Jon Kitna	Cowboys	$940,000
Dan Orlovsky	Buccaneers	$905,000
Seneca Wallace	Packers	$840,000
Luke McCown	Saints	$840,000
Jimmy Clausen	Panthers	$807,500
Matt Flynn	Packers	$715,000
Brady Quinn	Rams	$715,000
Colt McCoy	49ers	$702,500
Rusty Smith	Titans	$630,000
Joe Webb	Vikings	$508,129
Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.
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At this point, I'd say he's easily the best QB on our roster, which is not saying much, but I believe he's as good fit for whatever system OB wants to put into place.
He is an OK placeholder. If the prices were equal and fan opinion is disregarded I think it is debatable he is better than Schaub as is - both high end backups who can start a few games if needed. If Schaub regained even first three quarters of 2012 performance it isn't close.
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That is a terrible contract. Why the hell would we give 4m to Fitzpatrick? What does he do that nobody else at vet minimum can do?
'Cause our Irish coach wanted an Irish QB...


in related news Andre Johnson and Arian Foster have filed papers to change their names to O'Johnson and FitzFoster
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Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz.
Other than Grossman and Flynn, none of those guys will be in the league next year. If "our purposes" are to remain the worst team in the league, OK. Otherwise, I think Fitz was the right way to go. I would have preferred spending a little more on Cassell, but it's not that big of a deal.
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David Garrard	Jets	$1,000,000
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Jon Kitna	Cowboys	$940,000
Dan Orlovsky	Buccaneers	$905,000
Seneca Wallace	Packers	$840,000
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Jimmy Clausen	Panthers	$807,500
Matt Flynn	Packers	$715,000
Brady Quinn	Rams	$715,000
Colt McCoy	49ers	$702,500
Rusty Smith	Titans	$630,000
Joe Webb	Vikings	$508,129
Most of those would be fine for our purposes. They have all started NFL games, and they all cost 25% or less than what we are paying Fitz. If you need a QB with experience to coach up the rookie, then hire a QB coach that has played in the NFL. It's really not that hard. Rick is just pissing away money here, and in salary cap football, every dollar counts.
For all those complaining about Fitzpatrick, has it occurred to any of you that maybe OB sees something in him that he feels he can coach up? You don't give out $7 million contracts with $4 million guaranteed to someone that's going to just sit on the bench.
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