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Old 03-20-2014   #61
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never on the leverage of us keeping him
And while I would agree that we weren't going to keep him...it's now concrete.

There isnt the slightest chance to bluff. Theyre betting against someones cards AND THEY SEE THEM. Do you really think schaub follows shanny or goes for the $?

Our only leverage now imo is "gives us a 7 or we cut him."
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The proverbial hand has been tipped.
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With this signing (and the assumption that Schaub is gone one way or another), we could really be targeting a QB at 2-1 or 3-1 that we could groom while Fitz is starting.
The hand had been tipped by anyone watching a Texans game. They needed a young franchise QB. And really, you can't "target" a player at 2-1, much less 3-1. They can target a player with the 1st pick. Maybe they could trade down a few spots. But that's risky if you only like 1 QB.

This signing only surprises me that it was prior to Schaub being traded/cut. I guess Fitz had another offer and the Texans had to get the deal done. No matter, I had doubts that a deal could have been made anyway.

I see a lot of hating on Fitzpatrick, already. Why not give O'brien the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's doing and at least see the guy in a Texans uni before completely panning the signing?
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Here's Ryan Fitzpatrick's first NFL game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8SA0XFPZB4

I've been watching Fitzpatrick since he's been playing at Harvard. He's a smart QB and certainly someone who can quickly learn OB's system. I like the signing.
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And really, you can't "target" a player at 2-1, much less 3-1. They can target a player with the 1st pick.
You can target a player at any freaking point in the draft you want. You have targeted players with almost every pick.
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So the same people who were complaining about us not making any moves are now complaining about the moves we are making?...
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You can target a player at any freaking point in the draft you want. You have targeted players with almost every pick.
I don't think a team is going to plan how they will proceed at QB hoping a guy will be available in the 2nd round. We'll see in 7 weeks.
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Is Ryan Fitzpatrick an upgrade over T.J. Yates? If so then I like the move.
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I don't think a team is going to plan how they will proceed at QB hoping a guy will be available in the 2nd round. We'll see in 7 weeks.
They will if they don't see a guy at 1-1 worth the pick.

They might see a guy they like at 1-1. They may not.
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Does Fitzpatrick bring with him a CURSE?


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I'm not seeing the curse at all.. Bulger played his way out of a job. (See Schaub)

Palmer never recovered from his knee injury "fine" like the article says (he was never mentally the same), couldn't stay healthy, and threatened to retire in order to get out of Cincinnati. He flat out didn't want to play there any more.

Trent Edwards was always a hot steaming pile before Fitzpatrick ever came to town and the only reason why he became the Bills starter was because J.P. Losman was even a bigger hot steaming pile who couldn't stay healthy.

As far as Locker goes.. to suggest Fitzpatrick was a curse there is to also label Hasselbeck a curse as well, because just like Hasselbeck, the reason why Fitzpatrick started was because Jake Locker is made of glass and can never stay healthy.

So Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't a curse.. He's just always played on a team that didn't have a franchise QB who could lock up the position or played with a QB (Palmer) who was disgruntled and no longer wanted to play for the franchise. Ryan Fitzpatrick is what he's always been.. A journeyman back up QB and I don't think Houston is expecting him to be anything more than that.

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why would you say that? Think Raiders will just wait until he is cut? That would be a big risk, if Schaub decides to go elsewhere like Cleveland...

you may be right though...
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And while I would agree that we weren't going to keep him...it's now concrete.

There isnt the slightest chance to bluff. Theyre betting against someones cards AND THEY SEE THEM. Do you really think schaub follows shanny or goes for the $?

Our only leverage now imo is "gives us a 7 or we cut him."
IMHO I believe Schaub's agent has already been in touch with every team interested in a starting QB and has gauged the interest and signing dollars if Matt is not traded. And Schaub signs with the team with the most $$$.
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Fitzpatrick??? Hmmm....is Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels? Hmmm...is the Texans plan to have the #1 draft pick two years in a row? Hmmm...
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And while I would agree that we weren't going to keep him...it's now concrete.

There isnt the slightest chance to bluff. Theyre betting against someones cards AND THEY SEE THEM. Do you really think schaub follows shanny or goes for the $?

Our only leverage now imo is "gives us a 7 or we cut him."
If I were Matt Schaub, late in my career with an opportunity to go to a team in an offense I know versus an unfamiliar offense on a bad team, I'd likely go with the sure thing. Sometimes looking at the money up front isn't smart. It's not like the biggest contract is guaranteed to pay the most. Think about that.
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I'm not seeing the curse at all.. Bulger played his way out of a job. (See Schaub)

Palmer never recovered from his knee injury "fine" like the article says (he was never mentally the same), couldn't stay healthy, and threatened to retire in order to get out of Cincinnati. He flat out didn't want to play there any more.

Trent Edwards was always a hot steaming pile before Fitzpatrick ever came to town and the only reason why he became the Bills starter was because J.P. Losman was even a bigger hot steaming pile who couldn't stay healthy.

As far as Locker goes.. to suggest Fitzpatrick was a curse there is to also label Hasselbeck a curse as well, because just like Hasselbeck, the reason why Fitzpatrick started was because Jake Locker is made of glass and can never stay healthy.

So Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't a curse.. He's just always played on a team that didn't have a franchise QB who could lock up the position or played with a QB (Palmer) who was disgruntled and no longer wanted to play for the franchise. Ryan Fitzpatrick is what he's always been.. A journeyman back QB and I don't think Houston is expecting him to be anything more than that.
Whether you call it a curse or not, it is interesting that those playing ahead of him never enjoyed any long term success.
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I like this signing. Fitz is better than any QB we have on the roster now, if we assume Schaub is gone.

If Oakland trades for Schaub I would think they'll give us a 2nd or, more likely, a 3rd. If Rick is any kind of a GM he should be able to leverage Cleveland's interest to force a decent offer from Oakland. From everything I've read, Oakland really wants Schaub. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Schaub's agent is working on a revamped 2 year contract with Oakland that would include a fair amount of guaranteed money/bonus.
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Well, at least he won't kick our ass again.... Rams 33-27 OT win in which, BTW the Texans were up big (24-3 Texans at half)

Addition by subtraction. ;D
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Not an Earth shattering signing, but as speculated the Texans would sign a veteran qb. I don't think it necessarily makes them a shoe in for QB 1.1. In fact I'd say it opens up options. However, there's no way around it, you need a legit QB to win consistently in the NFL. Fitz isn't anything more than a capable stop gap starter.

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I like this signing. Fitz is better than any QB we have on the roster now, if we assume Schaub is gone.

If Oakland trades for Schaub I would think they'll give us a 2nd or, more likely, a 3rd. If Rick is any kind of a GM he should be able to leverage Cleveland's interest to force a decent offer from Oakland. From everything I've read, Oakland really wants Schaub. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Schaub's agent is working on a revamped 2 year contract with Oakland that would include a fair amount of guaranteed money/bonus.
If Smith gets a second or third for Schaub he will already be deserving of GM of the year...
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Appears that OB got to see Fitzpatrick start 6 games against the Patriots in his time there.

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Fitzpatrick on his role "We'll see how that plays over the offseason Coach O'Brien and I have similar views and beliefs about (offense)."

Fitzpatrick "I want 2 show how hard I work. That's the same approach I've had for 9 years. I like to be dependable. I'm in a good situation."

Fitpatrick "I hoped to finish my contract with Titans. You never want to get kicked to the curb, so to speak, but this is a great opportunity."

Ryan Fitzpatrick "I met with coach O'Brien, and I like what he's going to do with the offense and the direction (Texans) are going."
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