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View Poll Results: Would you sign off on keeping Matt Schaub if the Texans drafted your QB?
Yes... let them compete in camp 33 49.25%
No... under no circumstances do I want to see Matt Schaub in a Texans uniform 34 50.75%
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Old 03-18-2014   #41
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LOL - and keep Keenum as the other backup. It will be fan on fan violence of epic proportions.

Sadly there are people out there that would love this to happen......

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I have this mental picture of Chris Farley and George Wendt in Texans gear saying "Fans of Texans nation and all Texas universities must band together, to ensure that such a conflagration never takes place"

I want it to happen. I'm convinced it must happen. think about it. The Houston Texans are in the unique position to make sure that THE epic battle of Texas University man-crush QB's takes place. They can pick all three of them up (already got one actually) and let chaos break loose!

LMAO!!! As an imaginary scenario, I love it!

However, as reality, I think I'd start paintballing every Sunday during football season.
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I voted no simply because he is not in the Texans future no matter how you slice it. Let him go and wish him the best. I would bet that I would really like Schaub if I had the chance to have dinner with him or whatever, no grudge here. I want to do what is best for the team and keeping him around is a waste of both the Texans time and Schaub's time.

The Lidge analogy is a pretty good one.
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I voted yes.

Something wasn't right last season, wasn't just Matt. Other QBs got off to a really bad start last season (didn't set any records or anything), Matt wasn't given an opportunity to work it out... to save face.

I'm not a Schaub fan. I'm not a Schaub hater, Like TexansBill says, it's the name on the front of the Jersey I root for.

I want to win, I want the Texans to win & I believe our best shot is a QB who has won games in the past, or a rookie who can beat that guy out in an honest open QB battle.

Even the most devout Matt Schaub hater has to admit, if he's honest, Matt is the best veteran QB available to us at the moment.

On top of that, I'm very interested to see Matt Schaub with an OC & HC like Bill O'Brien. If he brings that pedal to the metal, no quarter given, New England offensive mindset to Houston, we might be in store for some pretty exciting football.

No, I don't think there's a chance that OB is going to turn Schaub into Tom Brady, I don't think he has to. We've got Duane Brown, & Andre Johnson, & DeAndre Hopkins, & Arian Foster, & Jj Watt, & Brian Cushing. There is no reason for Schaub to have to put this team on his itty-bitty beedy eyed shoulders.

Now this is with the caveat that they draft our QB of the future. For me it's McCarron or Murray... but I won't be upset if they draft Bridgewater with 1-1, or Bortles, or Manziel..... or if they draft Tom Savage in the 5th or Garoppolo in the bottom of the first.

Now if they draft Logan Thomas in the 6th & only Logan Thomas, I'll be upset. But I won't say gripe about it unless he busts... if they draft a better prospect next season I'll forget about the flyer in 2014.

Lastly, if you look at the concepts OB talks about in his clinics you'll see it's very similar to what Schaub was doing under Kubiak. Granted, getting a QB familiar with OB & the system he ran/runs would have been ideal... Matt Cassel, Ryan Mallet, Brian Hoyer..... but it makes no sense to do it on anyone else's terms than ours, when we've got the next best thing (Schaub).

There is absolutely no way I would ever allow Matt Schaub to be on the roster of the team I love with a $14M cap hit... but I wouldn't put it past McNair. This will have no effect on our rebuilding efforts. We're not going to be spending money on any big named FAs...... doesn't make sense. We're going to draft as best we can. Next season there will be more cap room to add choice FAs to another strong draft class & make some noise in the NFL.
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Before I vote, is it financially "better" to keep him or to cut him?
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Before I vote, is it financially "better" to keep him or to cut him?
It depends on how you want to spin it.
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Schaub might not be so bad without Kubiak's heel on his Adam's apple. He could audible out of a play if he saw the opponents were laying for it. Trade him if it's possible, but if not, it might be better to keep him on the roster for salary cap reasons.
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I wouldn't mind keeping Schaub if his contract and our cap were compatible. He's lost his confidence and what mobility he had, but there's still a lot of knowledge he can impart on a rookie.

Unfortunately, carrying his cap figure means this team is going to be filling holes with cast offs and bargain bin gambles. That's not a season I'm excited to watch.
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competition is good for everyone!
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No!!! There's an old saying. You can't make the same mistake twice. The second time you make it, it's no longer a mistake, it's a choice.
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I wouldn't mind keeping Schaub if his contract and our cap were compatible. He's lost his confidence and what mobility he had, but there's still a lot of knowledge he can impart on a rookie.

Unfortunately, carrying his cap figure means this team is going to be filling holes with cast offs and bargain bin gambles. That's not a season I'm excited to watch.
This. Let's not forget that he's had two solid seasons and had a major down year. Eli, Luck, RGIII, and many more had down years as well. Perhaps a change in coaching staff may help him (but fan's booing him certainly didn't help).
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Voted Yes, because my QB is developmental in need of mentoring, if Matt could agree to that plus a more cap friendly contract.
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I wanted a third option - Yes, but only if the Texans also sign Mark "Buttfumble" Sanchez.

Geez.
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just ask yourself can matt schaub stay healthy for 16+ games and lead the the Texans to the SB ...?????? rather it be this year or in 2015 ..????


if the answer is no and the % is highly it will be NO cus he has not done it yet then whats the point in keeping him ..???

how about dis we get TWO !! QB's in the draft anyone down with that ..????
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Before I vote, is it financially "better" to keep him or to cut him?
Cutting him saves $3,937,500 against the cap. This is his salary of $10M and his Roster bonus of $937,500 minus his remaining post 2014 signing bonus of $7M.

Designating him as a June 1st cut saves $10,937,500 against the 2014 cap, but costs $7M against the 2015 cap so it essentially just moves $7M in cap space from the 2015 cap back to the 2014 cap.

Financially, you then have to offset that with his replacement.

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Unfortunately, carrying his cap figure means this team is going to be filling holes with cast offs and bargain bin gambles. That's not a season I'm excited to watch.
If you think that we're not going to be signing any mid-level free agents this offseason, what are you missing out on?

If we have a strong draft this offseason, save our money, cut Schaub next season, add a second strong draft class & your mid-level FAs, we're better off, no?
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Cutting him saves $3,937,500 against the cap. This is his salary of $10M and his Roster bonus of $937,500 minus his remaining post 2014 signing bonus of $7M.

Designating him as a June 1st cut saves $10,937,500 against the 2014 cap, but costs $7M against the 2015 cap so it essentially just moves $7M in cap space from the 2015 cap back to the 2014 cap.

Financially, you then have to offset that with his replacement.

For more details, see:
http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Na...QB&Team=Texans
But if he plays this year, we don't get the $3.9M savings against the cap (which we most likely won't be using anyway). Make him a June 1, 2015 cut & save $14M next year & $16M in 2016.
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But if he plays this year, we don't get the $3.9M savings against the cap (which we most likely won't be using anyway). Make him a June 1, 2015 cut & save $10M next year & $16M in 2016.
If he plays this year under his existing contract, he makes an additional $10,937,500 above his pro rate share of the signing bonus ($3.5M). Then making him a June 1st cut next year splits his remaining $7M signing bonus between 2015 and 2016.

While this is possible, it is not optimal.

First, Schaub is not worth the additional ~$11M for one season if he's not at least borderline elite. I think he could still be, but it's becoming much less likely with every season his production falls.

Second, deferring cap space hits are rarely good for anything other than putting a team near the top over the top for a brief time because it borrows from the future.

One thing which often gets overlooked is the cap space saved by eliminating the salary and Roster bonus payments in 2014, 2015 and 2016. We get hung up on the signing bonus shenanigans because of the June 1st designation.
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Second, deferring cap space hits are rarely good for anything other than putting a team near the top over the top for a brief time because it borrows from the future.
It depends on what you're looking for. McNair stated he wanted a veteran QB on the roster, for whatever his reasoning. Most of us knew before FA started that Schaub would most likely be the best available & so far it has played out that way.

So what's next?

We can cut Schaub sign Vick (or whoever is left)... the $4M you saved for 2014 is gone. You're probably going to get the same net result from the QB position.


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One thing which often gets overlooked is the cap space saved by eliminating the salary and Roster bonus payments in 2014, 2015 and 2016. We get hung up on the signing bonus shenanigans because of the June 1st designation.
I've not once overlooked it & it's always been part of may argument.

Cut him now:
2014: $4M
2015: $17M
2016: $19M

June 1st:
2014: $10M
2015: $10M
2016: $19M

June 1, 2015:
2014: $0 (or whatever you negotiate through pay cut)
2015: $14M
2016: $16M

What I think people don't take into account is that the cap goes up in 2015 & 2016... & that the cap went up unexpectedly for 2014 (which might change everything).

Everybody would have been "ecstatic" if we had $27M in cap room this offseason.... well next year we've got that without cutting anyone (of course we still have to fill out 2014's roster to say for sure). & we're already $77M under the 2016 cap. That includes a $17M cap hit for Schaub in 2015 & $19M in 2016.
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