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Old 03-23-2014   #2701
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I hope Manziel has a killer pro day. Bridgewater has underwhelmed me and bortles is just okay.
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Lance Zierlein is doing a Top 3 QB in depth analysis series...

Johnny Manziel piece here for discussion: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...44#post2316744

and here: http://www.thesidelineview.com/colum...johnny-manziel
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Lance Zierlein is doing a Top 3 QB in depth analysis series...

Johnny Manziel piece here for discussion: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...44#post2316744

and here: http://www.thesidelineview.com/colum...johnny-manziel
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When Manziel threw from the pocket, he complete 73.6% of his passes for 3,429 yards, 9.95 ypa and 27 TDs. Can Manziel scramble and hurt you with his feet? Absolutely, but to assume that his passing game primarily revolved around scrambling and making passing outside the pocket would be a mistake.


Exactly!!! Hate when people act as if he's just a runner and doesn't have conventional QB skills.
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damnit to hell, if Manziel were 3-4 inches taller it would have put this QB controversy to rest.
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Hoge is a tool who has a propensity for making stupid statements.

But he is right about Manziel's pocket awareness. The kid consistently bails for no reason. Regardless of his arm talent he is still a run first QB. That's his mentality.
I don't think that's quite fair or truthful.


What I see is a guy who goes thru the first two reads and then looks to get gone. If those first two reads aren't there .... he's getting out of the pocket.

That isn't all bad because he does have great downfield vision on the run and when he breaks the pocket it puts pressure on the defense , someone who is in coverage is going to have to step up or he has the ability to make them pay.

He hasn't gotten to the point where he's routinely making 3-4 reads and looking for a check down .... but with his vision , I don't see why he cant take that next step. I really believe with the right coach this cat can be one of the games best.


Right now I'm "leaning" Manziel over Bortles & Bridgewater (In that order). I really want to see what he does at his pro day. The other two definitely didn't help themselves there.
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He hasn't gotten to the point where he's routinely making 3-4 reads and looking for a check down .... but with his vision , I don't see why he cant take that next step. I really believe with the right coach this cat can be one of the games best.
I try not to "blame" these kids for the offenses they're put in. It's not like the coaches bring their QBs in & say, "I think you're smart enough to run a full pro-style offense, we're going to run the Erhardt-Perkins offense." Or, I like your instincts & quick reaction, we're going to run Bill Walsh's WCO."

Spread coaches are going to run the spread, & it bears no meaning to the capabilities of the player.

There may very well not have been a third read. Still, over 70% of his big plays were made from the pocket, within the confines of the system. Tells me he's coachable, & that stuff he does outside the pocket... you couldn't teach that if you tried. It's natural to him. Like breathing.
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ACCURACY (INCLUDING ON THE MOVE)

I’ve heard questions about whether or not Manziel can beat a team from the pocket and to do that, he has to prove that he is accurate. Was he accurate from the pocket in college? Yes. Yes he was.

When Manziel threw from the pocket, he complete 73.6% of his passes for 3,429 yards, 9.95 ypa and 27 TDs. Can Manziel scramble and hurt you with his feet? Absolutely, but to assume that his passing game primarily revolved around scrambling and making passing outside the pocket would be a mistake.

NFL QBs must be accurate on the short to intermediate throws, and Manziel was just that. I went back and researched his throws from 6 - 15 yards and Manziel completed 65.7% of those passes including 66% on his intermediate sideline throws. The one area of concern, however, was that Manziel had 7 INTs on his 111 throws from this range.

MAKES NFL THROWS

This is one of the areas that some evaluators believe Manziel could struggle with on the next level. It isn’t necessarily the arm strength that is the knock here, it is the feel and the anticipation that tends to get him knocked. I’ve seen some of the anticipation issues with my own eyes as Manziel has waited for a window to come open rather than throwing to a spot. Is this coachable? It can be.



I also believe that many NFL offensive coaches are much more flexible than in the past and understand how to tailor offenses around what a QB does well rather than asking them to fit into “the norm” as we’ve seen in the past.

Of Manziel’s 37 TD passes this year, only 10 came from behind the line of scrimmage to five yards down the field - the classic dump and dash that we see in college. According to the STATS Ice data, Manziel had 27 TDs passes beyond 6 yards including 12 that were for 16+ yards.
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I try not to "blame" these kids for the offenses they're put in. It's not like the coaches bring their QBs in & say, "I think you're smart enough to run a full pro-style offense, we're going to run the Erhardt-Perkins offense." Or, I like your instincts & quick reaction, we're going to run Bill Walsh's WCO."

Spread coaches are going to run the spread, & it bears no meaning to the capabilities of the player.

There may very well not have been a third read. Still, over 70% of his big plays were made from the pocket, within the confines of the system. Tells me he's coachable, & that stuff he does outside the pocket... you couldn't teach that if you tried. It's natural to him. Like breathing.
You make a good point , we really don't know what Manziel is asked to do as far as reads in that offense. Keenum was very good in it @ UH but really seems to struggle past a second read , but like Manziel has good vision once he breaks the pocket.

Really makes you think about his transition to the NFL ....
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I think Manziel came to Texas A&M as a running-type QB, but quickly became a very good passer. I've said many times that he reminds me of Hall of Famer Fran Tarkenton when he played in the NFL, only I think Manziel has better athletic ability.

I will be at Manziel's workout Thursday and feel that people will be surprised at how well he passes that day, both in terms of accuracy and also when they see his arm strength.

Manziel is going to be an outstanding NFL player for many years, for three reasons: He's one of the great competitors of all time out of college; he's an exceptional athlete; and he has the ability to bring your team from behind and win games when you're hopelessly out, like he did against Duke in this year's Chick-fil-A Bowl.

This guy is something special, and I'm excited to watch him in person Thursday.

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Wonder if Brandt even knows that is not a regulation goal?
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Ha! Fooled me... didn't even think of that.
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Don't know if you looked at the video but he throws down a 360 (almost) dunk .... as well as a couple others.
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Don't know if you looked at the video but he throws down a 360 (almost) dunk .... as well as a couple others.
He looks pissed off that he didn't dunk that. Maybe he can dunk.
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He looks pissed off that he didn't dunk that. Maybe he can dunk.
Go watch the video on his instagram posted above .... he throws down some nice dunks.
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Go watch the video on his instagram posted above .... he throws down some nice dunks.
I'd be more willing to buy that was a regulation goal if wasn't one of those adjustable jobs.
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Go watch the video on his instagram posted above .... he throws down some nice dunks.
That goal is not set at 10 ft. Looks like about 9ft.

If he could do 360's and dunk like that on a 10ft goal there is 0 chance he goes for that rinky dink lay up and miss it in front if a big crowd like that. It's manziel. He would've thrown one down for the fans.
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That goal is not set at 10 ft. Looks like about 9ft.

If he could do 360's and dunk like that on a 10ft goal there is 0 chance he goes for that rinky dink lay up and miss it in front if a big crowd like that. It's manziel. He would've thrown one down for the fans.
Who cares , he's not gonna get paid to dunk basketballs.
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Who cares , he's not gonna get paid to dunk basketballs.
You're the one that kept posting about his dunking skills.

Who cares? You do.
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"If you watch some of his games, obviously, he's a very exciting when he breaks the pocket and he runs,'' O'Brien said. "But if you watch the Ole Miss game, he might have hurt his ankle early on and he came back. And he threw from the pocket in that game. If you watch him, he's going to be able to do a lot of different things.

"So, yeah, I think he's sustainable.''
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