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Old 03-12-2014   #861
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That seems reasonable. And even if the Texans don't trade for Mallett, that seems like a very good deal. It's not out of the question that one of the top 3 QBs could be there at 1-6. Not at all.

The real question would be, do the Texans like all of the QBs?
If so, let the teams above you determine which QB you take. If they're stuck on one guy, better take him at 1-1 and forget about getting cute.
My question is: Do the Texans - mainly O'Brien - like ANY of the top rated QBs coming out this year? If they do, and they know which guy they want at 1-1, what's the advantage of stringing Schaub along and not cutting him now?
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He can mentor a hell of a lot better than either of them. That is something McNair mentioned when talking QBs - that they wanted a vet even if they drafted a QB 1.1.

Look, I don't want them to keep Schaub but it isn't unreasonable from the Texans' perspective (other than fan considerations).
Schaub did such a great job of mentoring Case last yr.
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My question is: Do the Texans - mainly O'Brien - like ANY of the top rated QBs coming out this year?
Nothing coming out of the Texans organization one way or the other on this. Even McClain admitted on the radio yesterday that he had no idea -- that his declarations have all been based on the assumption that the fanbase would riot if they don't select a QB at 1-1.

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...what's the advantage of stringing Schaub along and not cutting him now?
Different from your presupposition, but...

The alleged script is: 1) The only player teams would trade up to 1-1 for is Jadeveon Clowney, 2) Keeping Schaub as the better veteran QB than any options out there, 3) Maintains the plausibility that Texans will select Clowney at 1-1 to 4) Force the GM lusting after Clowney to trade with us if he wants to ensure getting Clowney.

Our goal being to trade down, add picks... would be kind of a crappy thing to do to Schaub, dump him after teams have set their QB rosters, but it is a business. That's what I'm seeing as why. YMMV
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Nothing coming out of the Texans organization one way or the other on this. Even McClain admitted on the radio yesterday that he had no idea -- that his declarations have all been based on the assumption that the fanbase would riot if they don't select a QB at 1-1.

Different from your presupposition, but...

The alleged script is: 1) The only player teams would trade up to 1-1 for is Jadeveon Clowney, 2) Keeping Schaub as the better veteran QB than any options out there, 3) Maintains the plausibility that Texans will select Clowney at 1-1 to 4) Force the GM lusting after Clowney to trade with us if he wants to ensure getting Clowney.

Our goal being to trade down, add picks... would be kind of a crappy thing to do to Schaub, dump him after teams have set their QB rosters, but it is a business. That's what I'm seeing as why. YMMV
Listening to McClain on the radio tonight tells me if this is what the Texans brass is thinking (Reaching for Bortles) then this franchise is in for another decade of misery. Edit: with Slick running the team they probably are in for the misery anyway.
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Nothing coming out of the Texans organization one way or the other on this. Even McClain admitted on the radio yesterday that he had no idea -- that his declarations have all been based on the assumption that the fanbase would riot if they don't select a QB at 1-1.

Different from your presupposition, but...

The alleged script is: 1) The only player teams would trade up to 1-1 for is Jadeveon Clowney, 2) Keeping Schaub as the better veteran QB than any options out there, 3) Maintains the plausibility that Texans will select Clowney at 1-1 to 4) Force the GM lusting after Clowney to trade with us if he wants to ensure getting Clowney.

Our goal being to trade down, add picks... would be kind of a crappy thing to do to Schaub, dump him after teams have set their QB rosters, but it is a business. That's what I'm seeing as why. YMMV
I hear what you're saying but a major part of a GM's job this time of year is to know which guys the other teams are likely to take. The other guys have seen Crennel's defenses and when they try to match what he's historically asked of his DE, Clowney doesn't really fit. So if I'm team X's GM thinking about moving up to grab Clowney do I really believe that Clowney goes to the Texans at 1-1 if I don't trade up or do I stand pat and call their (the Texans') bluff; knowing that if I'm wrong, Dee Ford is still out there and he ain't a bad consolation prize.

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I think it's weird but I think Matt Schaub starts the season....


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If I were Rick I would use Schaubs pride against him, tell him that unless he takes a pay cut he's QB3 for the Texans, if he'll take a pay cut that puts his salary commensurate with his 2013 level of play we'll trade him and even give him a say in where he goes if there are multiple offers.

That or tell him that we plan to sign Haynesworth and have him play scout team until Schaub gets hurt in Training Camp and cut him via an injury settlement. Just kidding I don't wish Schaub any ill will at all, i feel bad for the guy.
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I hear what you're saying but a major part of a GM's job this time of year is to know which guys the other teams are likely to take...
Over 20 different GMs/scouts told Greg Cosell on the night before the 2013 Draft that Geno Smith would be a top 10 pick. They don't know.

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The other guys have seen Crennel's defenses and when they try to match what he's historically asked of his DE, Clowney doesn't really fit.
The conversation amongst teams during the Combine was the exact opposte: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...44#post2309844

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...do I stand pat and call their (the Texans') bluff; knowing that if I'm wrong, Dee Ford is still out there and he ain't a bad consolation prize.
Everything is for sale... at a price. Texans can be set to take Clowney at 1-1 and still sell that pick to add 2/3 extra players high in this deep draft. I loves me some Dee Ford, but he did have back surgery in 2011. Tradeoffs, risks.

And nobody's going to be tricked into revealing who they will select -- isn't any organization's first rodeo. The discussion is limited to picks. I've got #1, what are you offering.
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Over 20 different GMs/scouts told Greg Cosell on the night before the 2013 Draft that Geno Smith would be a top 10 pick. They don't know.
If you're talking to a GM/scout the night before the draft, there's a real good chance he's lying.
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If I were Rick I would use Schaubs pride against him, tell him that unless he takes a pay cut he's QB3 for the Texans, if he'll take a pay cut that puts his salary commensurate with his 2013 level of play we'll trade him and even give him a say in where he goes if there are multiple offers.
So you're saying you would keep Schaub, and pay him $10 million to be the 3rd QB? I really don't get the "take a pay cut and we'll trade you" scenario. Why wouldn't he just wait to be cut, then get the best deal he could to a team he wanted to play for?
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Our goal being to trade down, add picks... would be kind of a crappy thing to do to Schaub, dump him after teams have set their QB rosters, but it is a business. That's what I'm seeing as why. YMMV
I thought the same thing, but if you think about it schaub could accept to restructure his contract in order to be more appealing to another team that wants him now.

since he wants those 10M$ he can wait when the team is ready to release him
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Starting to feel more and more like Schaub is staying for 1 more season. Cut or traded after this season. Depending on who the rookie QB is, Schaub might not make it past 6-8 games as the starter.


Edit: Schaub will be 7 million in dead money 2015. Roughly 3.5 million less than what his dead money will be for 2014. Essentially what we are paying him to play this season.
The dead money ($10.5M) is the same whether we spread it out over one, two or three years. Not cutting Schaub or at least renegotiating his contract means we spend an additional $10,937,500 in base and roster bonus money. People are getting confused.

The options in dealing with the dead money ($10.5M in all scenarios) are:
1. regular cut - $10.5M cap hit in 2014
2. June 1 cut - $3.5M cap hit in 2014, $7M cap hit in 2015.
3. leave in place, extend or renegotiate for a contract through the 2016 season - $3.5M cap hit in 2014, $3.5M cap hit in 2015 and $3.5M cap hit in 2016

The benefits of cutting are in money that is not dead like base and roster bonuses which also count against caps in those years. A separate accounting of such is:
1. 2014 - $10M Base, $937,500 Roster Bonus
2. 2015 - $12.5M Base, $1M Roster Bonus
3. 2016 - $14.5M Base, $1M Roster bonus

Now this will be repeated as this is a repeat of essentially the same information which has been given before but has not sunk in. Since both count against the Cap, they are often lumped together at some times and not at others which is the source of the confusion. Bringing up cap savings only compounds the problems. Then allocation of the same among multiple years makes following it impossible for some.
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All right! I believe we dodged a bullet there. Thank you Tampa Bay. You just saved us from "Ed Reed part 2".

In my opinion, our #1 priority should be to sign a starting RT in free agency. No matter who we trot out as our starting QB next year we have to be able to keep them up right to do their job. The sad part is I haven't seen the Texans being listed as interested in any of them. Instead, we were bringing in a one year wonder to look at. As a fan, I do not understand this front office's thinking.

As for acquiring Mallett, I liked the guy coming out of college & now that he seems to have gotten his life in order the last 3 years, I really like the idea of trading for him. But, we have to get a starting RT in free agency. That will open up so many opportunities for us in the draft to load up on defense.

The way I see it, all we have to do is trade down with Atlanta (assuming they still want Clowney). I read somewhere that Atlanta might offer their 1st (#6), 2nd (#37) & a 2015 2nd to move up to #2 if Clowney is still on the board. Why can't the Texans take the same deal? I know it's less than the alleged "fair value", but it would fill our needs better than just sitting at #1 & taking Clowney.

The deal could be done prior to the draft & if it went down something like that, we could take Kalil Mack at #6 & send pick #37 to New England for Mallett. The net result is we still get a starting OLB, a starting QB, keep all of our current draft picks & pick up an extra 2nd round pick for next year. What would be wrong with that deal?
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ATL 1-6 1600
ATL 2-37 530
2015 2nd 190
Total 2320

Throw in the 2015 1st (420) and then we can talk at 2740.

I'm an advocate of picking up future picks at the current market discount whenever possible. I expect the discount to fall in the future.

ps Future picks derived from the value of the 16th pick of the next lowest round of the current year for 2015, two rounds lower for 2016, three rounds lower for 2017, etc.
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I can only HOPE we are trying to work a blockbuster deal behind the scenes to acquire nick foles. I'd give up 1:1 for foles.
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I can only HOPE we are trying to work a blockbuster deal behind the scenes to acquire nick foles. I'd give up 1:1 for foles.
Why would Philly do that?
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Why would Philly do that?
doubt they would, but I heard they would like a more mobile qb like manziel
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People are getting antsy about Schaub getting cut.

But.

This is a horrible free agent QB market. At some point in the near future, some team is going to be very, very desperate for a veteran QB. When that happens, they're going to come crawling to us with some ridiculous offers.

We aren't under any time-pressure to get rid of him. With the pressure starting to build, we could be able to convert him into something.
If Gabbert is worth a 6th, then Schaub is worth a 4th?
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doubt they would, but I heard they would like a more mobile qb like manziel
Well add that person to the list of people you disregard. No team is trading a 27 td, 2 INT QB over mobility idealism. The only way Folk is getting traded away is if he gets caught making conjugal visits to the HC or owners' house while they are out.
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The dead money ($10.5M) is the same whether we spread it out over one, two or three years. Not cutting Schaub or at least renegotiating his contract means we spend an additional $10,937,500 in base and roster bonus money. People are getting confused.
My point is, I don't agree that there is much benefit in cutting him now vs. next year. Either way we are going to spend that extra 10-11 million on a vet QB contract. See Josh McCown 2 year deal.

And Schaub has zero incentive to renegotiate his deal IMO. And the Texans have zero leverage to make him do it.

It might be the best idea to keep Schaub for another year and give him the money, maybe he can turn it around and increase his trade value while giving our #1 pick more time to learn the NFL.

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If Gabbert is worth a 6th, then Schaub is worth a 4th?
Its the size of his contract that have people resisting him.Gabbert is cheap. And young.
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