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Old 03-09-2014   #181
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Thanks Capt. Irrelevant. I already accepted your valuation despite the fact the players you mention didn't just get booted to the curb by the Patriots and carry Spikes' baggage. Your MINIMUM number was wrong by your own words..
I have explained this to you many times before, there are times when your comments are very good but when you get caught up in that argue vortex you can be as bad as you can be good. This is another one of those times that you're not very good.
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Both Andrew Gardner and Wade Smith are rated better than Asamoah
Then that tells me just how bogus these grades are from Scout, Inc. How is there enough tape on Gardner to even give him a grade. And Smith is shot. Once OK, but that time has passed. Asamoah would start on the Texans, easily. The Chiefs just have 2 better guards.
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Then that tells me just how bogus these grades are from Scout, Inc. How is there enough tape on Gardner to even give him a grade. And Smith is shot. Once OK, but that time has passed. Asamoah would start on the Texans, easily. The Chiefs just have 2 better guards.
Hey I'm for whatever improves the O-line. And in the spirit of full disclosure this is the summary on Wade Smith
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Strangely enough there wasn't a synopsis on Asamoah.
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Then that tells me just how bogus these grades are from Scout, Inc. How is there enough tape on Gardner to even give him a grade. And Smith is shot. Once OK, but that time has passed. Asamoah would start on the Texans, easily. The Chiefs just have 2 better guards.
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Jon Asamoah RG, #20, +7.9
Wade Smith LG, #59, -10.7
Andrew Gardner - not enough snaps to be graded.
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You're confusing worship with recognizing the reality of the situation. Part of that reality based thinking is recognizing the Texans don't have the cash to replace with Wade Smith, Earl Mitchell and Joe Mays with equal or better talent. What you also fail to recognize is the COLTS DO have the cash to replace some of their lost starters with equal or better talent.
Overall, I agree with the vast majority of your posts. I was tracking with you on this discussion until your competitive advantage comment.

There are some similarities between the Colts' 2011 season and the Texans 2013 season. Both teams crashed with 2-14 seasons resulting in the #1 pick in the draft. Both teams had higher salaried players that missed time due to injuries. Both teams jettisoned their head coaches to the ranks of NFL coordinators.

In 2012, the Colts carried a historic amount, $38M, of "dead money" on the cap and essentially had to field a competitive team with approx. $82M. The Colts, despite carrying the weight of all that "dead money", fielded a team that finished 11-5 in 2012. Why? It is not necessarily how much you invest but how you invest it.

The Colts received valuable contributions from former members of the CFL and AFL. The Colts fielded a team with nine rookies and 33 players with three-or-fewer years of NFL service. The Colts resurgence wasn’t the result of a salary cap “gold rush”. Their lack of cap space certainly wasn’t an obstacle to gaining a competitive edge. Their success was a result of solid coaching, excellent scouting, and arguably the best draft class in franchise history. That 2011 Colts roster experienced a 70% turnover and the coaching staff molded a very young team into a well-prepared, cohesive, and competitive franchise.

The Colts parlayed some of their cap savings onto their offensive line during free agency prior to the 2013 season. It didn't work out as well as they hoped as the Colts OL (according to Pro Football Focus) ranked 24th in the league. PFF ranked the Texans OL 20th in the league.

The Colts are getting a heck of a lot more mileage from their draft picks and under-the-radar free agent signings than their “premium” free agent signings. The Colts would be wise to take a “grow into the cap” approach with their younger talent coupled with smart free agency augmentation, rather than dumping a bunch of money on over-priced veterans.

In my opinion, the Colts had the better offseason when they had little to no money to spend on premium free agents. I believe the team’s best acquisitions didn’t reflect in the actual salary cap – hiring a new coaching staff.

The Colts went from 2-14 in 2011 to 11-5 in 2012 with minimal cap space. The Texans can do the same.
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Overall, I agree with the vast majority of your posts. I was tracking with you on this discussion until your competitive advantage comment.

There are some similarities between the Colts' 2011 season and the Texans 2013 season. Both teams crashed with 2-14 seasons resulting in the #1 pick in the draft. Both teams had higher salaried players that missed time due to injuries. Both teams jettisoned their head coaches to the ranks of NFL coordinators.

In 2012, the Colts carried a historic amount, $38M, of "dead money" on the cap and essentially had to field a competitive team with approx. $82M. The Colts, despite carrying the weight of all that "dead money", fielded a team that finished 11-5 in 2012. Why? It is not necessarily how much you invest but how you invest it.

The Colts received valuable contributions from former members of the CFL and AFL. The Colts fielded a team with nine rookies and 33 players with three-or-fewer years of NFL service. The Colts resurgence wasn’t the result of a salary cap “gold rush”. Their lack of cap space certainly wasn’t an obstacle to gaining a competitive edge. Their success was a result of solid coaching, excellent scouting, and arguably the best draft class in franchise history. That 2011 Colts roster experienced a 70% turnover and the coaching staff molded a very young team into a well-prepared, cohesive, and competitive franchise.

The Colts parlayed some of their cap savings onto their offensive line during free agency prior to the 2013 season. It didn't work out as well as they hoped as the Colts OL (according to Pro Football Focus) ranked 24th in the league. PFF ranked the Texans OL 20th in the league.

The Colts are getting a heck of a lot more mileage from their draft picks and under-the-radar free agent signings than their “premium” free agent signings. The Colts would be wise to take a “grow into the cap” approach with their younger talent coupled with smart free agency augmentation, rather than dumping a bunch of money on over-priced veterans.

In my opinion, the Colts had the better offseason when they had little to no money to spend on premium free agents. I believe the team’s best acquisitions didn’t reflect in the actual salary cap – hiring a new coaching staff.

The Colts went from 2-14 in 2011 to 11-5 in 2012 with minimal cap space. The Texans can do the same.
Good Post! You make some very good points. However I still contend that a team that has $80 million to spend on players over a 2 year period has a competitive advantage over a team who only has $10 million. We do have a disagreement in the Colts best acquisition in the 2012 season. You say it was the addition of the new coaching staff. I firmly believe it was because the Colts had a much better QB and QB play in 2012 vs 2011. It was the poor performance by the QB that relegated the Colts to a 2-14 season in 2011. Almost a carbon copy of the Texans in 2013.
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"Houston has $122,239,346 committed against the cap with 51 contracts. Their adjusted cap, which includes rollover money, is $134,114,730. With $3,247,174 in dead money on the books, that leaves the Texans with $8,628,210 of cap space for 2014."

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"Houston has $122,239,346 committed against the cap with 51 contracts. Their adjusted cap, which includes rollover money, is $134,114,730. With $3,247,174 in dead money on the books, that leaves the Texans with $8,628,210 of cap space for 2014."

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Cut Schaub, designated as a June 1st cut, we increase our cap by $10M this year & next.

$18M for 2014, can we do what we need to do with $18M?
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Cut Schaub, designated as a June 1st cut, we increase our cap by $10M this year & next.

$18M for 2014, can we do what we need to do with $18M?
If you designate Schaub as a June 1 cut, you can move 50% of Schaub's $10 million in dead money to 2015 ($5 million). In addition cutting Schaub saves $4.125 mil in cap $$$. Therefore a June 1 cut would provide $9.125 million in additional cap $$$. Add that to the $8.628 available cap $$$ = $17.753 million $$$.

The Texans will have to allocate approx $5 million for IR replacements, LTBE's and Practice Squad. They will also need approx $2 million to complete the 53 man roster in September. That will leave approx $10 million to spend.

CAUTION: WORD OF WARNING - The more money you move to 2015 & beyond through June 1 cuts and restructured contracts makes it much more difficult to re-sign J.J. Watt.

That's why I suggest the Texans cut Schaub and trade Foster (if they can) and allocate all dead money to 2014 year. That would give the Texans almost $60 million in cap space in 2015 and more than enough $$$ to re-sign Watt.

FYI - You also need to take into account that 2014 draft pick 1.1 will count roughly $5 million against the Texans salary cap come September. So that really only leaves approx $5 million to spend.
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If you designate Schaub as a June 1 cut, you can move 50% of Schaub's $10 million in dead money to 2015 ($5 million). In addition cutting Schaub saves $4.125 mil in cap $$$. Therefore a June 1 cut would provide $9.125 million in additional cap $$$. Add that to the $8.628 available cap $$$ = $17.753 million $$$.

The Texans will have to allocate approx $5 million for IR replacements, LTBE's and Practice Squad. They will also need approx $2 million to complete the 53 man roster in September. That will leave approx $10 million to spend.

CAUTION: WORD OF WARNING - The more money you move to 2015 & beyond through June 1 cuts and restructured contracts makes it much more difficult to re-sign J.J. Watt.

That's why I suggest the Texans cut Schaub and trade Foster (if they can) and allocate all dead money to 2014 year. That would give the Texans almost $60 million in cap space in 2015 and more than enough $$$ to re-sign Watt.

FYI - You also need to take into account that draft pick 1.1 will count roughly $5 million against the Texans salary cap come September.
So... you're saying yes? No? Close?

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To get better and replace those 3 starters with better talent you would need a MINIMUM of $10-$12 million addition to the 2014 salary cap.
We cut Schaub, designated as a June 1st cut (+ $9.1M), cut McCain (+ $0.8M), cut Newton (+ $1.4M), cut Chad Spanning, Keith Browner, Toben Opurum ($1.2M)

+12.5M
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So... you're saying yes? No? Close?



We cut Schaub, designated as a June 1st cut (+ $9.1M), cut McCain (+ $0.8M), cut Newton (+ $1.4M), cut Chad Spanning, Keith Browner, Toben Opurum ($1.2M)

+12.5M
I'm saying with the 51 man roster Texans have approx $12 million to spend and this includes cutting Schaub as a June 1 cut. With your proposed cuts you would have approx $15.5 million to spend but you have reduced your current roster to 46 players. So come September you would have approx $15.5 million to sign 7 contracts to complete your 53 man roster. Keep in mind that 1.1 will cost you $5 million so that would leave approx $10.5 million to sign 6 additional contracts.

You also need to take into account that Texans filled out their 51 man roster with practice squad players and other marginal players to replace the 15 players who became FAs this year.

Assuming that 1.1, 2.1, 3.1 make the 53 man roster, last year those draft positions accounted for $7 million in cap $$$$. So when you add those 3 players and subtract those cap $$$ that leaves you with 4 contracts/players to add and approx $8.5 million to do it with.
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I'm saying with the 51 man roster Texans have approx $12 million to spend and this includes cutting Schaub as a June 1 cut.
So we're good..... thanks.
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Ideally the Texans would cut some of the bad contracts and take the cap hits this year and just get them off the books. Trade back and accumulate picks to fill out the roster instead of signing FA's and screwing with the cap. The rebuild is coming, this year is as good as any to get it started.
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Ideally the Texans would cut some of the bad contracts and take the cap hits this year and just get them off the books. Trade back and accumulate picks to fill out the roster instead of signing FA's and screwing with the cap. The rebuild is coming, this year is as good as any to get it started.
There is a giant disagreement on what are the "bad contracts." There is also a haste to declare some players done in that equation.
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So we're good..... thanks.
OOPS! I forgot you cut Schaub who is NOW part of the 51 man roster. So subtracting Schaub leaves 5 players/contracts to sign and approx $8.5 million to do it with. And don't forget this includes 2013 practice squad and handful of other marginal players as part of the 2014 53 man roster.

and no your not good, you cut 6 players so you only have 45 players under contract.

and you're still making it very difficult to re-sign JJ Watt.
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There is a giant disagreement on what are the "bad contracts." There is also a haste to declare some players done in that equation.
Very true. I guess I should have clarified. I definitely think Schaub should be cut, but don't spread the cap hit around. Take it all ASAP just to get it over with. I see the pros and cons of cutting Daniels. If you think it's right to cut him, then take the hit this year. Same with Manning. I don't agree with cutting Joseph. I also think Foster has a bad contract, but there's not much we can do about that right now.
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Very true. I guess I should have clarified. I definitely think Schaub should be cut, but don't spread the cap hit around. Take it all ASAP just to get it over with. I see the pros and cons of cutting Daniels. If you think it's right to cut him, then take the hit this year. Same with Manning. I don't agree with cutting Joseph. I also think Foster has a bad contract, but there's not much we can do about that right now.
Daniels is a FA next year so his $ comes off the 2015 books. Daniels maybe a more valuable asset for a rookie a QB and tutoring a rookie TE if one is drafted. With Graham a FA this year cutting Daniels would leave the cupboard bare and with very little talent at TE in 2014.
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OOPS! I forgot you cut Schaub who is NOW part of the 51 man roster. So subtracting Schaub leaves 5 players/contracts to sign and approx $8.5 million to do it with. And don't forget this includes 2013 practice squad and handful of other marginal players as part of the 2014 53 man roster.
How did we lose $4M by cutting Schaub when you already figured the money in?

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I'm saying with the 51 man roster Texans have approx $12 million to spend and this includes cutting Schaub as a June 1 cut.
I understand adding another head to the count, but you said cutting Schaub was already factored into the money. You're also cheating me on moving $7.5M to 2015, not 50% or $5M. So that's the original $12M you quoted after cutting Schaub plus $2.5M you cheated me & we have $14.5M

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and no your not good, you cut 6 players so you only have 45 players under contract.
We're still going to have depth issues, I'm not denying that. I wish we could spend $5M on every player we add like Indy can... but I agree we don't have the cap space to do that. We'll just have to find a way to get a lot out of cheap contracts the way they've done the past two years.

But we keep OD, we Keep Manning, we've got Brian Cushing coming back & we didn't have to cut Jjo..... so I'm still fielding a competent team with eight 1st & 2nd round picks & high dollar FAs.

We sign our first round pick for about $5M cap hit (your number) & the other 6 for about $3M, total of $8M leaving us $6M.

I don't expect us to be very active in FA.

But we can still & should cut Brice McCain & Derek Newton for another $2M. We can cut OD, we can get Andre, Jjo, Foster, & Myers to restructure if we have to..... not saying that we should, but if we have to.

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and you're still making it very difficult to re-sign JJ Watt.
Eh... not on my agenda to make him the highest paid defensive player in the league. I want to pay him well, but I want to win more. & overpaying does not help.
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If you designate Schaub as a June 1 cut, you can move 50% of Schaub's $10 million in dead money to 2015 ($5 million). In addition cutting Schaub saves $4.125 mil in cap $$$. Therefore a June 1 cut would provide $9.125 million in additional cap $$$. Add that to the $8.628 available cap $$$ = $17.753 million $$$.

The Texans will have to allocate approx $5 million for IR replacements, LTBE's and Practice Squad. They will also need approx $2 million to complete the 53 man roster in September. That will leave approx $10 million to spend.

CAUTION: WORD OF WARNING - The more money you move to 2015 & beyond through June 1 cuts and restructured contracts makes it much more difficult to re-sign J.J. Watt.

That's why I suggest the Texans cut Schaub and trade Foster (if they can) and allocate all dead money to 2014 year. That would give the Texans almost $60 million in cap space in 2015 and more than enough $$$ to re-sign Watt.

FYI - You also need to take into account that 2014 draft pick 1.1 will count roughly $5 million against the Texans salary cap come September. So that really only leaves approx $5 million to spend.
If you use the June 1 designation, I don't think you can split the difference 50/50 like that. You take on this years pro-rated bonus for 2014 dead money. Remaining pro-rated bonus money for 2015 & 2016 go towards the 2015 cap as dead money.
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If you use the June 1 designation, I don't think you can split the difference 50/50 like that. You take on this years pro-rated bonus for 2014 dead money. Remaining pro-rated bonus money for 2015 & 2016 go towards the 2015 cap as dead money.
There you go, I stand corrected. So if you're correct, Schaub's 2014 dead money would be $3.5 million and his 2015 dead money would be $7 million? Correct?
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