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Old 03-09-2014   #701
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McClain is right about this one IMO. I think if Obrien, (given his familiarity with Mallett and his experience in the system) thought for a second that he was starting QB material this would have got done a while ago.
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McClain is right about this one IMO. I think if Obrien, (given his familiarity with Mallett and his experience in the system) thought for a second that he was starting QB material this would have got done a while ago.
Free Agency just opened up, it wasn't possible for a deal to get done before this past weekend.
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McClain is right about this one IMO. I think if Obrien, (given his familiarity with Mallett and his experience in the system) thought for a second that he was starting QB material this would have got done a while ago.
I guess the Texans didn't think Schaub was starter material. Traded March 22, 2007.

Teams don't move at the pace you seem to think they do. You see any other trades?
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Free Agency just opened up, it wasn't possible for a deal to get done before this past weekend.
Mallett isn't a free agent. His rookie contract isn't up until the end of this (2014) season.

Here's another guy who thinks it's hogwash too.
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Here's what we know: we know very little about Mallett. Except that multiple teams reportedly were interested in him last off-season as well. Whether it's because teams think the Tom Brady magic has rubbed off on him or they believe in him because Bill Belichick seemingly believes in him, Mallett's potential future continues to make headlines.


But he's thrown only a total of four passes in three seasons, and he's completed one of them for 17 yards. He's actually trotted onto the field in only four games to replace Brady. For a former third-round pick who's been in the league since 2011, it'd be difficult to know less about how Mallett would handle a regular-season game.
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Free Agency just opened up, it wasn't possible for a deal to get done before this past weekend.
Negotiations opened up yesterday at noon I believe, I think if the interest was real we'd have at least one report that wasn't pure conjecture by now.
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In the 2012 draft, Mercilus was rated as a first round prospect. In just a quick search, both NFL Draft Scout and The Sports XChange had him rated as the 3rd best DE with an overall rating as the 22nd best player in that year's draft. We took him at #26 and around the league it was considered an excellent pick.

The question is not how well he performed in his two years under Philips, but rather how well he projects to our new system. If Crennel has his eye on Clowney at the DE position, then Mercilus will likely be the Elephant. If the plan is to draft Clowney for the Elephant, then it is not unreasonable we'll try to trade him.


I don't see Mercilus fitting anywhere close to the "Elephant" mold. [from http://patspropaganda.com/post/39003...phant-position ]

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As I mentioned yesterday Patriots fans have been clamoring for a new “Elephant” since Willie McGinest left. Here’s what Willie himself has to say about what it takes to play the position.


“You have to be talented, you have to be tough, because you have to be able to take on the linemen and fullbacks and tight ends and play in the trenches vs. the run game,” McGinest said. “So you have to be sturdy and strong enough and tough enough to handle that, but you also have to be agile, and smart enough to be able to read coverages and drop back into coverages and understand different receiver sets and motions and be able to read different formations. It’s not easy.”

That would seem obvious since that the Pats haven’t really found anyone that’s had the same impact as McGinest at the position, save for Mike Vrabel.

But let’s backpedal a bit. At 6-foot-5, 270 pounds, McGinest fit the physical prototype for the elephant, which basically is a linebacker/defensive end hybrid.

“When I came out (of college), I was a ’tweener,” McGinest said. “I was small, as in having the right weight for a defensive end. But I was a big, big linebacker. So you’re kind of an undersized D-end, but a big, big linebacker. Charles Haley (Dallas and San Francisco) was another in that so-called elephant mold where you rush like a D-end, and you also drop into coverage and play linebacker.”

“There’s guys out there who have come out of college and done it in the past, like Shawne Merriman and Mike Vrabel. Vrabel was an example of an end who came off the edge, and then he came to us, and did a lot of different things. It’s just a matter of finding the right guy and having them play the way you want in your system.”
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Mallett did lead the Hogs to a Sugar Bowl. How many BCS bowls have they been to since. He had some problems in the 4th qtr but Arkansas team was lacking talent over all. Don't believe me, look at what happened to Tyler Wilson.

Even though Mallett talks like a Arkansas redneck. He's actually a very smart guy. (Parents were educators) I saw him breakdown defenses on the Gruden QB camp and he impressed me. He should've only gotten better with 3 yrs in the Pats system.

Bottom line is do you believe Mallett has the ability to be a franchise QB? I think he does. I would ask in a trade for a change in draft positions in the 2nd rd. 2-33 for 2-61 and the Texans 2015 3rd. That seems like a fair trade to me.
He didn't "lead" them anywhere. He was the QB of a team that Petrino led to a Sugar Bowl. He gets a ton of credit for what was very clearly Petrino's doing at Arkansas, which stumps me because Petrino had just done the same thing at Louisville. The team had a better record the year after Mallett left with Tyler Wilson at the helm. Then they fell off the deep end after Petrino was dismissed. He was clearly the instrumental piece of Arkansas' success.

I know this is more than anyone wants to read, but I feel it is important to this discussion. Pulled from the Hoyer/Mallett thread in the NFL section a couple of months ago, my thoughts and opinions on Mallett:

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Major knocks that I remember against Mallet coming out of college were:

- That he was not a good leader. He had a ton of confidence but his teammates were turned off by his arrogance and inability to accept that anything could be his fault. This was a rumor that I never saw supported in writing, but maybe it was his interviews that caused him to drop in the draft?

- He time and time again crumbled at the end of games when his team needed him to step up.

- He was rumored to have been involved with some major drugs like cocaine or meth.
#3 is forgivable in the right circumstances. #1 and #2 are not endearing for a franchise QB.

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Mallett was not responsible for Arkansas' success. Petrino was. Mallett was a key cog who put up good stats, but the team tied a school record with 11 wins the very next season after he left. With a QB (Wilson) who was drafted in the 4th round and promptly got cut because he couldn't beat out UDFA Matt McGloin to be the third string QB in Oakland.

Mallett may have a ton of ability but ability isn't everything. There are numerous examples of that. I still remember everyone making a deal of it when Brian Billick compared him to Ryan Leaf before the draft.

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-In his final college game (Sugar Bowl), down 5 points, his defense blocked a punt and gave him the ball on the 18 with a minute left. He threw an incompletion and then a pick.

-Earlier that year, they led Alabama 20-14 going into the fourth quarter. In that fourth quarter Mallett was 4/10 for 44 yards and 2 INTs. The first one set Bama up on the 12 yard line when they were down three points. They scored a TD to go up four with three minutes left. Next possession, Mallett throws another pick to seal the deal.

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-Arkansas was down 7 to Ole Miss entering the fourth quarter. Arkansas only got the ball twice. Mallett didn't make the most of it. He went 3/6 for 44 yards and both drives ended with him taking sacks on 3rd down. Their last six plays they totaled -16 yards. -21 if you count the delay of game right before that sequence because Mallett didn't get the snap off in time with his team out of timeouts.

-Against Alabama they were down 14-7 with 10 mintues left in the third quarter. Mallett went 2/11 for 38 yards and an INT the rest of the way.

-Against Georgia they entered the fourth quarter down four points. He went 2/11 for 29 yards.
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That's five games in two years where he shrunk in crunch time. In most of those games he had nice looking stats. But the box score doesn't tell the story. When his team needed him he failed to deliver.
Main reason I wanted and still want no part of Mallett. Talk to me all you want about his physical tools but I scouted this guy a lot when he was at Arkansas and he isn't the answer. IMO of course.
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People need to get over Mercilus being a really good football player despite his 1st rd draft status. He's a below avg starter or a good backup. Sam Acho type player, who was another (Wade/Rick) draft screw up.
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- That he was not a good leader. He had a ton of confidence but his teammates were turned off by his arrogance and inability to accept that anything could be his fault. This was a rumor that I never saw supported in writing, but maybe it was his interviews that caused him to drop in the draft?
This runs counter on both points to numerous other evaluations which laud his leadership and which say he interviewed well impressing people with his honesty about his drug use.

Bottom line, whatever OB thinks IMO.

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People need to get over Mercilus being a really good football player despite his 1st rd draft status. He's a below avg starter or a good backup. Sam Acho type player, who was another (Wade/Rick) draft screw up.
This is another trust OB and Crennel to me. He is upgradeable but not a priority IMO. NT, ILB, DE and nickel CB are all bigger needs.
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Mallett isn't a free agent. His rookie contract isn't up until the end of this (2014) season.
Yes I know this, but the new league year didn't start until this month. Under the CBA negotiations between us and the Patriots until then.
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He didn't "lead" them anywhere. He was the QB of a team that Petrino led to a Sugar Bowl. He gets a ton of credit for what was very clearly Petrino's doing at Arkansas, which stumps me because Petrino had just done the same thing at Louisville. The team had a better record the year after Mallett left with Tyler Wilson at the helm. Then they fell off the deep end after Petrino was dismissed. He was clearly the instrumental piece of Arkansas' success.

I know this is more than anyone wants to read, but I feel it is important to this discussion. Pulled from the Hoyer/Mallett thread in the NFL section a couple of months ago, my thoughts and opinions on Mallett:



#3 is forgivable in the right circumstances. #1 and #2 are not endearing for a franchise QB.

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Main reason I wanted and still want no part of Mallett. Talk to me all you want about his physical tools but I scouted this guy a lot when he was at Arkansas and he isn't the answer. IMO of course.
I appreciate your research.

Mallett is still better than any 1-1 QB in this draft at 2-1. 10-3 means he had to show some kind of leadership qualities. No offense to you, but if BOB wants Mallett he must have seen something in him that you don't. BOB's job is on the line. I trust his judgement regardless of which QB he selects. Maybe Mallett has matured and improved in these areas.

Maybe McNair is turned off by the way Mallett speaks and told BOB Mallett isn't Texans worthy. I knew McNair was going to find a way to get me to stop using the BoB moniker. LOL (Bill O'Brien)
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I don't see Mercilus fitting anywhere close to the "Elephant" mold. [from http://patspropaganda.com/post/39003...phant-position ]
My position is based on the fact that FA signing will begin Tuesday and many of the top talents will be signed over the next couple of weeks, and at this time we have less than $10M cap space to sign FA's (per this morning's Chronicle). And we have only 7 draft picks plus 3 supplemental picks (1 in the 5th and 2 in the 7th).

We can't simply release the majority of the team and replace them with other players. Mercilus may not be Crennel's ideal Elephant, but he is still a first round talent going into only his third year. This alone makes weakside DE less of a "need" position than others on the team. So unless we draft Clowney for that position, and unless traded, this will be the position Mercilus will play. Whether he wins the starting role is another thing all together.
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This runs counter on both points to numerous other evaluations which laud his leadership and which say he interviewed well impressing people with his honesty about his drug use.

Bottom line, whatever OB thinks IMO.



This is another trust OB and Crennel to me. He is upgradeable but not a priority IMO. NT, ILB, DE and nickel CB are all bigger needs.
The trust OB thing is where I'm at.

Agreed on the needs. I think you can add OT/OG/TE to this list, depending on what they do with OD.
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The trust OB thing is where I'm at.

Agreed on the needs. I think you can add OT/OG/TE to this list, depending on what they do with OD.
LOL - I was just talking defense. But yes on your offense needs except hopefully OG or OT one is filled by Quess.
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I guess the Texans didn't think Schaub was starter material. Traded March 22, 2007.
Kubiak didn't have near the familiarity with Schaub that BOB has with Mallett . Obrien scouted him and was his QB coach/OC for a season. I don't see what more evaluation is needed for OB to form an opinion on him.

Not to mention Schaub's asking price was much higher than Mallett's has been reported to be. Alot more homework and evaluaion needed with Schaub.
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I don't see Mercilus fitting anywhere close to the "Elephant" mold. [from http://patspropaganda.com/post/39003...phant-position ]
We need to get something cleared up here. I thought the Elephant was the weakside OLB position and was primarily used to rush the QB. Mc Guiness seems to be describing the strongside OLB position. If the DE lines up at the 4, headup with the LOT, then the OLB usually only has to deal with the FB or RB as a blocker. In Crennel's defense, The DE MUST engage the OT to make the system work. I believe it was in KC that offenses found the solution to Crennel's defense because his talent at DE was able to be handled solely by the OG, leaving the OT to block the OLB.
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Kubiak didn't have near the familiarity with Schaub that BOB has with Mallett . Obrien scouted him and was his QB coach/OC for a season. I don't see what more evaluation is needed for OB to form an opinion on him.

Not to mention Schaub's asking price was much higher than Mallett's has been reported to be. Alot more homework and evaluaion needed with Schaub.
This is not a turn key decision, do we want him and bang done. 1st they drag along negotiating the compensation to the Pats. After that is done the Pats let Mallett talk to the Texans and they have to negotiate a new contract for him the structure of which is particularly important since this involves a trade for an unproven player. Your idea of pace is unrealistic.

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We need to get something cleared up here. I thought the Elephant was the weakside OLB position and was primarily used to rush the QB. Mc Guiness seems to be describing the strongside OLB position. If the DE lines up at the 4, headup with the LOT, then the OLB usually only has to deal with the FB or RB as a blocker. In Crennel's defense, The DE MUST engage the OT to make the system work. I believe it was in KC that offenses found the solution to Crennel's defense because his talent at DE was able to be handled solely by the OG, leaving the OT to block the OLB.
You have reason for confusion. Elephant is sometimes used about a 4-3 DE who lines out wide to take the OT or TE and sometimes about a 3-4 OLB. And as contemplated by the Texans about one guy flipping back and forth as they go between 4 and 3 man fronts. Clowney is not suited to be a 3-4 DE especially for Crennel.
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We need to get something cleared up here. I thought the Elephant was the weakside DE position and was primarily used to rush the QB. Mc Guiness seems to be describing the strongside DE position. If the DE lines up at the 4, headup with the LOT, then the OLB usually only has to deal with the FB or RB as a blocker. In Crennel's defense, The DE MUST engage the OT to make the system work. I believe it was in KC that offenses found the solution to Crennel's defense because his talent at DE was able to be handled solely by the OG, leaving the OT to block the OLB.
This is why I posted the piece.........Mercilus showed no propensity to deal with any physical "obstacles." Unless he had a straight unobstructed line, he went nowhere. And I saw no ability for him to effectively drop into coverage.
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This is why I posted the piece.........Mercilus showed no propensity to deal with any physical "obstacles." Unless he had a straight unobstructed line, he went nowhere. And I saw no ability for him to effectively drop into coverage.
If this is Crennel's evaluation, then it makes draft decisions pretty straight forward. We draft Clowney.

But... with my mock, I've got Tuitt penciled in at 2-33 to be the talent to keep the OT off of Mercilus.

And we haven't even begun to address the strong side.

You can begin to understand the position that our existing talent doesn't match up well with Crennel's defense and why the draft has to be defense centric.
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