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Old 03-09-2014   #681
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Sometimes the NFL and pundits get caught up in their own self-created rules. Gil Brandt has an article out saying the Texans shouldn't take Mack at 1.1 because he is a LB. Of course he doesn't apply the same logic to the Texans taking Clowney who would play LB for them as well.
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And of course, in Crennel's 2-gap 34, it's the LB's who are the primary pass rushers, not the DE's.

The question which was posed to me earlier as I was developing my defense centric mock is, if Clowney is projected to the Elephant, how do we utilize Mercilus? Do we just jettison our 2012 #26 pick. Granted, he has not performed to expectations, but we have no idea, as of now, how well he would adapt to Crennel's defense. You usually don't abandon this high of a pick after only two seasons without extremely good cause.

So is Clowney projected to DE and if so, he probably won't produce the high sack totals justifying Gil Brandt's analysis. Or is he projected to the strong side OLB position, right along side JJ, which I suggested earlier this past week. If this were the case, could he cover the RB and TE responsibilities in the flat routes?

If we were to trade for Mallet, then the decision to draft Clowney, or Mack, would come down to Crennel having a strong vision how the pieces will fit into his defense. At at this point in time, we have no idea what he has in mind. It's nothing but conjecture on our part.
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New England doesn't "have to" trade Mallett, either. They could keep him through 2014, lose him in 2015 free agency, and possibly get a comp draft pick for Mallett in 2016. Or trade him pre-or-mid season to a team that loses a QB. There's also the possibility that other QB hungry teams (JAX, OAK, CLE, etc.) could want Mallett after evaluating this class of QBs. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't pass the smell test.
Out of all those options regarding moving Mallett, getting a 2-1 in a talent rich draft seems, to me, to be the best for the Pats. Comp picks start at round 3; they'd get what amounts to a late one if we pull the trigger. Offering Mallett up in case OAK/JAX/CLE/etc. wants him later on won't get them a 2-1 ....unless they're goofy enough to give the Pats their 1st round pick for a backup.

No, they don't have to trade Mallett at all. But this sure would be a sweet deal for them. Unless O'Brien really likes the kid AND plans on running a very similar offense to the one the Pats ran back then, and maybe he does, I don't see any advantage for the Texans.
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Much different (impressive) than the college interview I posted earlier where he sounded like he would compete well against a box of rocks. Three years without any trouble, apparent maturation, good understanding of breaking down plays, cannon arm, mobile enough, tree-top height.............I'd be all for making a play for him. Throw in the fact that his college career was injury-free, and the only injury suffered during his Pats time was a short-lived head injury which has shown no residual effects..........and it sweetens the pot.
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"You" believe the Browns would trade up to draft Manziel, but don't believe they are ready to "dump" Hoyer for a high second?

Sorry Play0ffs, but you've gone off reservation on this one.
Just because I post news doesn't make me the author of it. Browns for Manziel was "ages" ago because Lombardi lusted after JFF. Lombardi is was fired. If Cleveland wants Manziel he'll be there at 1-4, imo.

As for Hoyer, I'd keep him and start him if I were the Browns. I don't see him on Mallett's level. Never said we'd offer a 2nd for him.

Where did I say I "believed" McClain? McClain says without equivocation Texans will draft QB at 1-1 -- I disagree. As for Mallett, my opinion is the Texans won't trade their 2-1 for him as it's a virtual #1 pick in a great draft. I could be wrong -- been wrong before. And I'm not an American Indian.
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Out of all those options regarding moving Mallett, getting a 2-1 in a talent rich draft seems, to me, to be the best for the Pats. Comp picks start at round 3; they'd get what amounts to a late one if we pull the trigger. Offering Mallett up in case OAK/JAX/CLE/etc. wants him later on won't get them a 2-1 ....
Tk's point (I think) was that the Texans wouldn't have to pony up 2-1. That the Texans have all the leverage. No, they don't. If they really want Mallett, they would have to meet Belichick's price. The Pats don't have to deal Mallett. And I don't see why they would, unless they received at least a high 2nd, such as the Texans, Browns, Raiders, or Jags.

Another option would be trade out of 1-1, and use some of those picks to deal for Mallett. If the Falcons have a pre-draft deal with Rams if Clowney is on the board, wouldn't they also be willing to move up to 1-1? The Texans could take a Jake Matthews at 1-6, deal the Falcons 2nd rounder to New England for Mallett, and still have 2-1. And while Mallett isn't necessarily a statue, he needs good protection. Drafting a very good pass blocking OT would make a lot of sense.
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And of course, in Crennel's 2-gap 34, it's the LB's who are the primary pass rushers, not the DE's.

The question which was posed to me earlier as I was developing my defense centric mock is, if Clowney is projected to the Elephant, how do we utilize Mercilus? Do we just jettison our 2012 #26 pick. Granted, he has not performed to expectations, but we have no idea, as of now, how well he would adapt to Crennel's defense. You usually don't abandon this high of a pick after only two seasons without extremely good cause.

So is Clowney projected to DE and if so, he probably won't produce the high sack totals justifying Gil Brandt's analysis. Or is he projected to the strong side OLB position, right along side JJ, which I suggested earlier this past week. If this were the case, could he cover the RB and TE responsibilities in the flat routes?

If we were to trade for Mallet, then the decision to draft Clowney, or Mack, would come down to Crennel having a strong vision how the pieces will fit into his defense. At at this point in time, we have no idea what he has in mind. It's nothing but conjecture on our part.
Mercilus isn't a good enough football player to justify his draft status. I would move on from him. He symbolizes everything that was wrong with the last regime. I would try to trade Mercilus for a 3rd/4th rd pick to make up for some of the equity loss of the trade for Mallett.

It's time to move on from the past.
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How come some sharp young guy like Lance Zierlein or Seth Payne instead of John McClain be the face of the NFL Draft discussion from Houston ?
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Tk's point (I think) was that the Texans wouldn't have to pony up 2-1. That the Texans have all the leverage. No, they don't. If they really want Mallett, they would have to meet Belichick's price. The Pats don't have to deal Mallett. And I don't see why they would, unless they received at least a high 2nd, such as the Texans, Browns, Raiders, or Jags.

Another option would be trade out of 1-1, and use some of those picks to deal for Mallett. If the Falcons have a pre-draft deal with Rams if Clowney is on the board, wouldn't they also be willing to move up to 1-1? The Texans could take a Jake Matthews at 1-6, deal the Falcons 2nd rounder to New England for Mallett, and still have 2-1. And while Mallett isn't necessarily a statue, he needs good protection. Drafting a very good pass blocking OT would make a lot of sense.
I could see trading down. But I think McNair wants Clowney. Give me Barr/Shazier/Maytthews at 6 and I'm very happy.
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Tk's point (I think) was that the Texans wouldn't have to pony up 2-1. That the Texans have all the leverage. No, they don't. If they really want Mallett, they would have to meet Belichick's price. The Pats don't have to deal Mallett. And I don't see why they would, unless they received at least a high 2nd, such as the Texans, Browns, Raiders, or Jags.

Another option would be trade out of 1-1, and use some of those picks to deal for Mallett. If the Falcons have a pre-draft deal with Rams if Clowney is on the board, wouldn't they also be willing to move up to 1-1? The Texans could take a Jake Matthews at 1-6, deal the Falcons 2nd rounder to New England for Mallett, and still have 2-1. And while Mallett isn't necessarily a statue, he needs good protection. Drafting a very good pass blocking OT would make a lot of sense.
If that scenario were to happen, then why not make signing a veteran FA RT the number 1 priority on the 11th? That would allow us to possibly draft Mack in the 1st, get a starting QB & still retain the 1st pick in the 2nd round. We'd basically be substituting Mack for Clowney.
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If that scenario were to happen, then why not make signing a veteran FA RT the number 1 priority on the 11th?
That would make sense, also. Just don't know who would be available or exactly what the Texans are trying to do in free agency. It has to be a consideration, though.
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Tk's point (I think) was that the Texans wouldn't have to pony up 2-1. That the Texans have all the leverage. No, they don't. If they really want Mallett, they would have to meet Belichick's price. The Pats don't have to deal Mallett. And I don't see why they would, unless they received at least a high 2nd, such as the Texans, Browns, Raiders, or Jags.

Another option would be trade out of 1-1, and use some of those picks to deal for Mallett. If the Falcons have a pre-draft deal with Rams if Clowney is on the board, wouldn't they also be willing to move up to 1-1? The Texans could take a Jake Matthews at 1-6, deal the Falcons 2nd rounder to New England for Mallett, and still have 2-1. And while Mallett isn't necessarily a statue, he needs good protection. Drafting a very good pass blocking OT would make a lot of sense.
Now you know I like this scenario.
A lot.
We get a good OT, O'Brien gets a QB he already knows, and if Ford is still around we can grab him - or the best pass rusher on the board - with our 2-1 and improve the defense.

...dammit Lucky, you now have me salivating.
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Do you believe Mallett has a chance to be better than Bridgewater?

I think he will be better.
I do think he has a chance to be better than TB because of the big arm. And he's had a chance to sit and learn in a good system.

Grabbing mallet has a chance to make us a better team overall...and more quickly.
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Tk's point (I think) was that the Texans wouldn't have to pony up 2-1. That the Texans have all the leverage. No, they don't. If they really want Mallett, they would have to meet Belichick's price. The Pats don't have to deal Mallett. And I don't see why they would, unless they received at least a high 2nd, such as the Texans, Browns, Raiders, or Jags.
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No... not my point at all. My point was that we don't "really" want Mallet... at least I don't believe we do.

I may have mispoke about the leverage terminology. Yes, New England don't have to take anything less than 2-1 if that is their asking price. We've got nothing to impend them to take less. As of yet, they have nothing to lose.

But we aren't in a position to where we have to have Mallet. That's all I was saying.
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McClain on 610 just a little while ago again stated he has no idea where this Mallet trade "rumor" started, but he can "guarantee" that the Texans have NO interest at all in Mallet.
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Would you rather have Mallet for the 2.1 or use the 2.1 on someone around Derek Carr's range?
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Mercilus isn't a good enough football player to justify his draft status. I would move on from him. He symbolizes everything that was wrong with the last regime. I would try to trade Mercilus for a 3rd/4th rd pick to make up for some of the equity loss of the trade for Mallett.

It's time to move on from the past.
In the 2012 draft, Mercilus was rated as a first round prospect. In just a quick search, both NFL Draft Scout and The Sports XChange had him rated as the 3rd best DE with an overall rating as the 22nd best player in that year's draft. We took him at #26 and around the league it was considered an excellent pick.

The question is not how well he performed in his two years under Philips, but rather how well he projects to our new system. If Crennel has his eye on Clowney at the DE position, then Mercilus will likely be the Elephant. If the plan is to draft Clowney for the Elephant, then it is not unreasonable we'll try to trade him.
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