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Old 03-08-2014   #161
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Putting all the if's and's and but's aside, the point and the question is: Who has the competitive advantage?
At QB and maybe RG and RT, the Colts; everywhere else there's no one on either of those starting squads I'd swap for the guys we have starting, position for position. But maybe I'm not looking closely enough.
Who's out there in F/A that you want so badly?
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The reason the Texans don't have $80 million or even enough million to sign FA for more than Vet minimums (or a tad more is) is because they've spent more money than they've had in their salary cap bank the past 3 years. It's that Plain & Simple! The Texans have borrowed from future seasons to meet their current obligations. The jury is still out on the 2014 season. With the mindset that manages the salary cap still in place, the pattern of behavior says, expect more of the same.

If the Texans continue to mortgage the future, as expected, that basically destroys all of your future projections.

As for Gosder Cherilus you mistakenly miss the point. You're right about the salary cap being higher in the last 2 years of the contract. Where you missed is if Cherilus is cut in those last 2 years there is a substantial salary cap savings. Over 65% of Cherilus dead money is in the first 2 years of the contract. If Gosder is cut in yr4 it's a $5 mil cap savings and yr 5 is a $7.9 mil cap savings.

D'Quell Jackson is another example of the Colts using the pay as you go method instead of borrowing from tomorrow. If Jackson is cut after his first 2 years the dead money is only $500K and the cap savings is $5 mil.
As I've stated before Grigson isn't playing around. Does he make mistakes? Sure he does. But he always leaves himself a way out. Slick Rick not so much.

Grigson is playing chess while Slick Rick is playing checkers and trying to stick his nose further up Cal McNair's butt.
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I didn't say we could sign Jackson & 6 or 7 other contracts. I said we could absolutely easily signed Jackson. With an $11M signing bonus & a 4 year $22M contract, his cap is most likely $3M or less.

& unlike the Jags, we don't need to sign 6 or 7 similarly valued deals to field a winning team.
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The Texans are the worst team in the NFL for a bunch of reasons. Not the least of which is lack of quality depth. So yes I would say signing the 6-7 similarly valued deals would come in quite handy.
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At QB and maybe RG and RT, the Colts; everywhere else there's no one on either of those starting squads I'd swap for the guys we have starting, position for position. But maybe I'm not looking closely enough.
Who's out there in F/A that you want so badly?
Soliai and Swarchtz/Asamoah are guys I would be looking at if cap room was available.
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for all you cap guys, if we cut everyone we will have $130 mil in cap space. Imagine who we could sign then : )


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for all you cap guys, if we cut everyone we will have $130 mil in cap space. Imagine who we could sign then : )


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Not exactly, cutting Duane Brown, Cushing, Mercilus, Hopkins, & Swearinger will eat into that. About $34M, leaving us $98M to sign 53 players that can win more than 2 out of 16 games.
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Now if want to start with all your if's and's and but's, what about this and what about thats, finesse and finagle then you can make a case for signing Jackson. There is NO WAY the Texans could sign another 6 or 7 players of similar value like both the Colts and Jaguars can. Regardless what your Hocus Pocus bag of tricks is telling you, It Ain't Gonna Happen!
And you keep leaving out of your Colts worship that they are going to spend a bunch of money staying even with last year on players like Vonte Davis, Donald Brown, Adam Vinatieri, Mike McGlynn, Samson Satele, Aubrayo Franklin, Pat Angerer, and Antoine Bethea. Those guys are STARTERS.

In contrast, 3 of the 4 starter FAs the Texans have are actually very conveniently on expiring contracts as they were probably gone for upgrading anyway - Wade Smith, Earl Mitchell and Joe Mays.
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And you keep leaving out of your Colts worship
You're confusing worship with recognizing the reality of the situation. Part of that reality based thinking is recognizing the Texans don't have the cash to replace with Wade Smith, Earl Mitchell and Joe Mays with equal or better talent. What you also fail to recognize is the COLTS DO have the cash to replace some of their lost starters with equal or better talent.
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You're confusing worship with recognizing the reality of the situation. Part of that reality based thinking is recognizing the Texans don't have the cash to replace with Wade Smith, Earl Mitchell and Joe Mays with equal or better talent.
How much would we need? Definitely not $80M worth.
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You're confusing worship with recognizing the reality of the situation. Part of that reality based thinking is recognizing the Texans don't have the cash to replace with Wade Smith, Earl Mitchell and Joe Mays with equal or better talent. What you also fail to recognize is the COLTS DO have the cash to replace some of their lost starters with equal or better talent.
LOL - cutting off that long list of Colts starters doesn't make them disappear.

And yes the Texans have plenty of cap to replace those three. Smith's upgrade is most likely already in the cap even.
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How much would we need? Definitely not $80M worth.
To get better and replace those 3 starters with better talent you would need a MINIMUM of $10-$12 million addition to the 2014 salary cap.
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To get better and replace those 3 starters with better talent you would need a MINIMUM of $10-$12 million addition to the 2014 salary cap.
Total bunk.

Quess - already on the books.
Brandon Spikes - approx. $1 mil per year.
Paul Soliai - approx. $5 mil per year.

Upgrades across the board. And that is averages and the 1st year cap hit is generally under the avg/yr on the contract.
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Upgrades across the board. And that is averages and the 1st year cap hit is generally under the avg/yr on the contract.
That's standard actual NFL contracts. He's talking about some mythical "Texans only" contracts.
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LOL - cutting off that long list of Colts starters doesn't make them disappear.

And yes the Texans have plenty of cap to replace those three. Smith's upgrade is most likely already in the cap even.
You can do what you want to with the Colt starters, the BOTTOM LINE is the Colts have ENOUGH money to replace with equal or better talent, the Texans DON'T. What else that is perfectly clear is that FINANCE is NOT one of your stronger subjects.

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That's standard actual NFL contracts. He's talking about some mythical "Texans only" contracts.
You asked, what it would take to replace those 3 starters ( I assumed on the open market). Reality is Jones or Quess will replace Wade Smith, however that is not a GUARANTEE that is equal or better talent. It could be also be a Newton redo. To replace a LG w/ 1000 starts who grades out better than Wade Smith will cost $3-$4 million per year. Soliai and Spikes next contracts will be closer to $3-$5 million per year. $1 mil per year gets you Mays or Sharpton.
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What else that is perfectly clear is that FINANCE is NOT one of your stronger subjects.

You asked, what it would take to replace those 3 starters ( I assumed on the open market). Reality is Jones or Quess will replace Wade Smith, however that is not a GUARANTEE that is equal or better talent. It could be also be a Newton redo. To replace a LG w/ 1000 starts who grades out better than Wade Smith will cost $3-$4 million per year. Soliai and Spikes next contracts will be closer to $3-$5 million per year. $1 mil per year gets you Mays or Sharpton.
What else is perfectly clear is that BASIC MATH is NOT one of your stronger subjects.

$3.5 each for Soliai and Spikes is $7 mil which is insignificantly off my estimate of $6 mil for their total which is also within your estimated range and is nowhere near your $10-12 mil, wait how did that go...MINIMUM of your original estimate. Sorry you don't get to just ignore the Texans having already planned for Smith's replacement.

Your propensity for exaggeration is laid bare.
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You asked, what it would take to replace those 3 starters ( I assumed on the open market).
I'm fine with the number you threw out there. My comment was in reference to the structure of the contract..... it's standard, like 'cak said, for the first year's cap to be less than the average $/yr

You call that "spending more than our credit limit."
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What else is perfectly clear is that BASIC MATH is NOT one of your stronger subjects.

$3.5 each for Soliai and Spikes is $7 mil which is insignificantly off my estimate of $6 mil for their total which is also within your estimated range and is nowhere near your $10-12 mil, wait how did that go...MINIMUM of your original estimate. Sorry you don't get to just ignore the Texans having already planned for Smith's replacement.

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Total bunk.

Brandon Spikes - approx. $1 mil per year.

Once again, you're caught in that arguing vortex, arguing just to argue, it doesn't matter if you're WRONG, YOU'RE ARGUING. SNAP OUT OF IT! Spikes grades out higher than Sean Lee, Kuechely and Cushing. He's NOT, I repeat not going for $1 million per year. What did you say a starting LG with 1000 starts who grades out better than Wade Smith would cost? HINT: more than $1 million per year. NOW SNAP OUT OF IT!
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Once again, you're caught in that arguing vortex, arguing just to argue, it doesn't matter if you're WRONG, YOU'RE ARGUING. SNAP OUT OF IT! Spikes grades out higher than Sean Lee, Kuechely and Cushing. He's NOT, I repeat not going for $1 million per year. What did you say a starting LG with 1000 starts who grades out better than Wade Smith would cost? HINT: more than $1 million per year. NOW SNAP OUT OF IT!
Thanks Capt. Irrelevant. I already accepted your valuation despite the fact the players you mention didn't just get booted to the curb by the Patriots and carry Spikes' baggage. Your MINIMUM number was wrong by your own words..
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Have you guys seen this ESPN Free Agency Tracker?

They have assessed all the current F/As and graded them according to how much they think they're worth.
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In advance of the opening of NFL free agency, ESPN Insider player evaluators Matt Williamson, Gary Horton and Field Yates teamed up to form the "pro-personnel department" for six-time NFL executive of the year Bill Polian and recreate the front-office free-agent evaluation process for ESPN.com. The foursome broke down every unrestricted free agent scheduled to reach the market in 2014 using the same process Polian used as a general manager.

Free agents were evaluated in four main areas:
• Speed: Does a player perform with above- or below-average quickness relative to his position?
•Production:How much of an impact does a player make over the course of the season relative to his position?
• Injury: Does a player have any health concerns that would prevent him from playing?
• Character: Does a player have off-field baggage or attitude issues? Or is he a positive influence on the field and in the clubhouse? Players were given a plus, minus or neutral mark in each category (though no pluses are given in the injury category).

They were then given a final grade corresponding to the value and term of the contract a team would be expected to commit.

A: $6 million-plus AAV (annual average value), three-plus years in term and/or guaranteed money
B: $2 million to $6 million AAV, two years or fewer in term and/or guaranteed money
C: $2 million or less AAV, two years or fewer in term and/or guaranteed money
D: minimum salary, one-year contract


Players with a plus or a minus grade slot between tiers.
I checked a couple of the guys that have been mentioned as potential acquisitions for the Texans. For the most part the guys we already have graded higher.

D'Qwell Jackson - Very solid player but he's 31. What kind of contract would you offer a solid-but-aging LB?
Soliai is rated as a C level player. Earl Mitchell is A rated.
Both Andrew Gardner and Wade Smith are rated better than Asamoah

Now these grades are from Bill Polian and Scouts, Inc. Take 'em or leave 'em.
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D'Qwell Jackson - Very solid player but he's 31. What kind of contract would you offer a solid-but-aging LB?
Soliai is rated as a C level player. Earl Mitchell is A rated.
Both Andrew Gardner and Wade Smith are rated better than Asamoah

Now these grades are from Bill Polian and Scouts, Inc. Take 'em or leave 'em.
Jackson is already signed. He got $5.5 mil avg. so take that FWIW on their price valuations.

Soliai and Mitchell are totally different types of players. Mitchell may be a better player in general but not specific to RC's system.
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