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Looking for something different than the same-old, same-old draft talk? From someone who watches an insane amount of tape? Me too.

One of my favorite people to talk football with is John Harris ( @jharrisfootball ), one of the co-owners of the fantastic site, TSV Big Board with a ranked list of top draftable players. John happens to coincidentally be a college teammate of new Texans head coach, Bill O’Brien, which he wrote about some here.

Every semi-sentient NFL fan has opinions on who they want for the first pick in the draft, but John can tell you in-depth, thoughtful reasons for his opinions on the ENTIRE draft based on a metric bleepton of film he watches on the college game.

Think you will like this blog post, but you will like it better if you have heard him before so you can *hear* it in his voice.

Enthusiasm is a underrated superpower.

If I were a Power That Be who needed a smart, articulate, hard-working, football content machine, I would give John Harris a wheelbarrow full of cash so that he could spread football joy all over the land. Overkill? There is no such thing when it comes to NFL fans wanting unique, in-depth information.

Now that I just blew up his noggin to a size bigger than it already is, here’s our Q&A:

Q: So, to get this out of the way, do you have a strong opinion of who the Texans should draft with the first pick?
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...make a trade or sign a free agent that has spent time in that particular system. If the Texans go that route, I see that as a stopgap until a young QB can take over. But, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett and Matt Cassel all fall into that category. Neither of those options are mind-blowing, but I don’t mind taking a shot on Hoyer or Mallett at a fair price. The Patriots took Mallett with the sole purpose of “spinning” him later, so that’ll probably cost the Texans a second round pick, I’d imagine.
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Taking advantage of an NFL rule which allows former players to either throw or catch passes at a Pro Day should the team need it, former Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett shed his New England Patriots uniform for a day and threw to a collection of Razorbacks attempting to join him in the NFL.

Mallett, a 6-foot-7, 225 pound gunslinger with a first-round arm, is entering the final year of his rookie contract with the Patriots and is a source of frequent trade speculation. He certainly had an audience during Wednesday's Pro Day. According to the Razorbacks' official athletics website, representatives of all 32 teams attended the workout.
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Mallett's performance was described as simply "OK" from a source who attended the workout. Mallett's time in the NFL has not translated into a better build. He remains gangly and looked "weak physically." Despite his less-than-ideal build, Mallett remains a talented thrower. His most impressive passes on the day, according to the source, were deep outs and go routes -- two of the more valued throws in today's NFL.
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Mallett, a 6-foot-7, 225 pound gunslinger with a first-round arm
I guess he shrunk A LOT. NFL.com had him at 253 lbs coming out of college and the Patriots list him at 245 lbs.

For those concerned with hand size, he has huge 10.75 in mitts.
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I guess he shrunk A LOT. NFL.com had him at 253 lbs coming out of college and the Patriots list him at 245 lbs. For those concerned with hand size, he has huge 10.75 in mitts.
I know there was a Mallett thread, but I can't seem to find it??? so posting here... please move/merge/whatever is called for, thanks.


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I've tweeted it like five times. RT @Ethanhamm I'll be honest. I thought the Mallett/second offer was turned down thing was common knowledge

What's kinda crazy is that HOU wouldn't need a QB if E.J. Manuel would have slipped to #27. Sounded like CIN loved him at #21, too.

If the Mallett traded did happen, St. Louis is going to be pissed. Who's trying to trade to #2 if Clowney isn't there?

His contract will be getting worked out after the trade terms are agreed upon, but before it's sent to the league. How these things work.

There's implied trade and signings. RT @Jimswim11 @JuMosq last year of mallets contract so I don't think any team will go with a 2nd

Denver offered Tebow and a 2nd for him at one point. RT @NFLDraft2K14 @JuMosq Do you know how long ago they turned down 2nd rounders?

I think 33 would get it done. RT @scott_thrill @JuMosq how much do you think Bill could command in a trade with HOU?

It's going to take that. I wonder what he'd get if he hit FA.

So, yeah. Those are my thought on Mallett. People think it's crazy to trade high picks for someone who's throw 4 passes since '11. But...

Awesome. RT @Ethanhamm I can confirm @JuMosq's statement about the Patriots turning down a Mallett for 2nd trade.

It'll be interesting. I think Mallett takes at least a second to move. Look at the second round QBs in this class, do you think he's better?

Remember, some people thought he was the most talented QB in the class, just his off-field got in the way. Now that's "gone". So what now?

People like to ask what he's done since he left Arkansas...the fact that he's been able to keep himself out of trouble is huge.

Then there's the rumors about supposed trades in the past. From two sources, I have heard they have turned down a second for him, twice.

Scout I know was very close the Penn State program. Said Bill O'Brien absolutely loved Mallett.
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Now this: Texans Pushing Hard For Mallett

after this: Report: A Team Is Pushing Hard To Acquire Mallett

which may be just an extension of the Twitter chatter posted above or originating it as the owner/editor of the website posting the rumors are in Boston/New England.
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There is a Hoyer/Mallet (spelled wrong) thread in the NFL forum and he has been discussed in the who is your 2014 QB thread in TexansTalk. He has been connected to the Texans so either forum is fine.
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There is a Hoyer/Mallet (spelled wrong) thread in the NFL forum and he has been discussed in the who is your 2014 QB thread in TexansTalk. He has been connected to the Texans so either forum is fine.
Ahh, that's it. Your call as to where to move them. I'm good either way, thanks.
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Ahh, that's it. Your call as to where to move them. I'm good either way, thanks.
Since he is linked to the Texans go with the QB 2014 thread or start one just for him in TexansTalk. Probably the latter, your call.
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Since he is linked to the Texans go with the QB 2014 thread or start one just for him in TexansTalk. Probably the latter, your call.
Did a copy/paste into the QB 2014 thread.

No sense cluttering up the forum if it doesn't happen. Thanks.
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Now this: Texans Pushing Hard For Mallett

after this: Report: A Team Is Pushing Hard To Acquire Mallett

which may be just an extension of the Twitter chatter posted above or originating it as the owner/editor of the website posting the rumors are in Boston/New England.
I like Mallet as a prospect & was really into this possibility when I heard we got OB..... I don't mind giving up a 2nd for him.

But I don't know what a "serious push" means. If we're offering 33, it should be a done deal, if not, we should move on. If we're offering less than 33.... I'm excited again. Maybe we give up 65 & Mercilus for Mallet??

Trade for Ryan Mallet, draft Clowney in the first, Garoppolo in the 5th, say goodbye to Schaub, Keenum & Yates.
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I like Mallet as a prospect & was really into this possibility when I heard we got OB..... I don't mind giving up a 2nd for him.

But I don't know what a "serious push" means. If we're offering 33, it should be a done deal, if not, we should move on. If we're offering less than 33.... I'm excited again. Maybe we give up 65 & Mercilus for Mallet??

Trade for Ryan Mallet, draft Clowney in the first, Garoppolo in the 5th, say goodbye to Schaub, Keenum & Yates.
I wanted the texans to draft him in the 3rd 3yrs ago,but I wouldt give up anything for him right now. Any team that trades for him is gonna have to give up the pick and a starter qb type money. Why do that when you can draft a qb and have him on rookie money which is a lot cheaper and better option. I thought teams would learn their lesson after kolb and flynn. The lowest paid starter not on a rookie deal was smith at 7m. Texans trade for mallet,they're paying at least that vs a 1st rd rookie costing 5m who is just as experienced as mallett.
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I wanted the texans to draft him in the 3rd 3yrs ago,but I wouldt give up anything for him right now. Any team that trades for him is gonna have to give up the pick and a starter qb type money. Why do that when you can draft a qb and have him on rookie money which is a lot cheaper and better option. I thought teams would learn their lesson after kolb and flynn. The lowest paid starter not on a rookie deal was smith at 7m. Texans trade for mallet,they're paying at least that vs a 1st rd rookie costing 5m who is just as experienced as mallett.
Who knows, Cassell just signed for 2 years, $10M
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But I don't know what a "serious push" means.
It means working out an acceptable contract with him.
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I wanted the texans to draft him in the 3rd 3yrs ago,but I wouldt give up anything for him right now. Any team that trades for him is gonna have to give up the pick and a starter qb type money. Why do that when you can draft a qb and have him on rookie money which is a lot cheaper and better option. I thought teams would learn their lesson after kolb and flynn. The lowest paid starter not on a rookie deal was smith at 7m. Texans trade for mallet,they're paying at least that vs a 1st rd rookie costing 5m who is just as experienced as mallett.
Maybe because they like Mallett better than any QB in this draft and also being able to add a guy like Clowney makes it worth the relatively small amount of $$$$ difference.

I'm sure you don't consider this to be an option after seeing your undying TB love.
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...Any team that trades for him is gonna have to give up the pick and a starter qb type money...
Not this year. He's in the last year of his contract, which calls for only $776,976. Next year he'll be a free agent.
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Not this year. He's in the last year of his contract, which calls for only $776,976. Next year he'll be a free agent.
Who would make the trade without a contract extension agreed to? Renting a QB for a year and giving up the 2nd round pick (and maybe more)? No way.
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Who would make the trade without a contract extension agreed to? Renting a QB for a year and giving up the 2nd round pick (and maybe more)? No way.
Yall should read the thread about his pro day. 3 years later, due for starting QB money if we pursue him and he is still just 'OK'.

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Yall should read the thread about his pro day. 3 years later, due for starting QB money if we pursue him and he is still just 'OK'.

No thanks.
You act like there is one price tag for "starting QB money." It's pretty silly.
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You act like there is one price tag for "starting QB money." It's pretty silly.
Is salary cap not a real issue with this team?

Would Ryan Mallett sign a 4+ year deal before getting an opportunity to prove his worth on a team friendly deal or would he want money that made dollars (more than just sense) for him?

I remember a Houston team in 2007 trading for an unproven backup and immediately offering him 6 years and $48 million to 'finalize' the trade. This was also before QBs were all getting $100 million contracts. I think it's safe to say in the last 7 years the price for a starting QB has increased, Alex Smith is an outlier not the rule.

Pardon me for being silly when I have well deserved hesitations.
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