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View Poll Results: Who would be your #1 pick?
Clowney DE 23 21.90%
Mack OLB 3 2.86%
Bridgewater QB 40 38.10%
Manziel QB 16 15.24%
Bortles QB 6 5.71%
Watkins WR 3 2.86%
Matthews OT 4 3.81%
Robinson OT 10 9.52%
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Old 02-27-2014   #121
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I honestly wouldn't know who to take, i would love to trade down somewhere in the top 10...

But if we have the 1st pick I'm gonna let the texans make that decision and not freak out... they are putting in all the work, i don't have time to pretend I'm a scout and watch film

If they take clowney i just hope thats because they fell in love with a QB they could get in the 2nd or 3rd rounds
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It would come down to Clowney and the 3 QBs for me. Clowney and Watts would be tremendous on the same defense. But, you must have a QB. I take Bridgewater because he's the best passer of the 3. I don't see any real weakness in his game.
If Clowney turns out to be all he's hyped to be by some , how long do you think you can keep both he & Watt on the same payroll with a salary cap??

Watt is going to get paid soon , likely Mario Williams in Barfalo money , probably after this coming season. That leaves you ~3-4 years before Clowney is wanting the same type of $$$.

Can you spend $40m on two players on the DL and fill the roster with sufficient talent at the other positions ??

I'm still undecided on the QB's .... but I take whichever of them I grade out the highest after all the information is in.

Right now , I'm torn between Bridgewater , Manziel and Robinson .... which would mean taking a QB later.
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This is my top 5 in order. These are my observations in what i have seen on tape and read.

1. Bridgewater- smart, accurate, great work ethic. Only knock is weight but should be fine after weighing 214 lbs.

2. Manziel- Has a wow factor, not super fast but has great change of direction. Can be immature and concerns about him running a lot could make him the next RGiii.

3. Clowney- Extremely talented, rare combination of size and speed. But concerns that he has a lamborghini body and a honda fit motor.

4. Bortles- Looks the part, may turn out great but still raw. Very risky pick in my opinion due to people falling in live with his prototypical size for a qb.

5. Mack- super quick off the line. Looks unblockable at times. Comes from small school so competition is a concern.

I will not be angry if the Texans select any of the 5. I would rather see Teddy but will jump on board with any of them.
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I'm still on the Bridgewater bandwagon, but I agree with some folks that there isn't a true clear #1 prospect in this draft. However, sometimes you gotta take a chance and get a guy who will develop into someone worthy of the #1 overall pick. There is no Andrew Luck, unfortunately, so we will have to take the guy who is most likely to become that franchise QB. I think it will be Teddy.
I'd be happy if he turns into the next Donavan McNabb. Or better yet, Jim Kelly.



If we draft him. If not, the next Ponder.
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Watt is going to get paid soon , likely Mario Williams in Barfalo money , probably after this coming season. That leaves you ~3-4 years before Clowney is wanting the same type of $$$.

Can you spend $40m on two players on the DL and fill the roster with sufficient talent at the other positions ??
What if Watt blows out a knee? Or decides to go fight in Afghanistan?

We've got at least 5 years before we have to make that decision. If we get a Super Bowl between now & then (say we draft McCarron in the second).. then it's worth it.
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This is my top 5 in order. These are my observations in what i have seen on tape and read.

1. Bridgewater- smart, accurate, great work ethic. Only knock is weight but should be fine after weighing 214 lbs.

2. Manziel- Has a wow factor, not super fast but has great change of direction. Can be immature and concerns about him running a lot could make him the next RGiii.

3. Clowney- Extremely talented, rare combination of size and speed. But concerns that he has a lamborghini body and a honda fit motor.

4. Bortles- Looks the part, may turn out great but still raw. Very risky pick in my opinion due to people falling in love with his prototypical size for a qb.

5. Mack- super quick off the line. Looks unblockable at times. Comes from small school so competition is a concern.

I will not be angry if the Texans select any of the 5. I would rather see Teddy but will jump on board with any of them.
I would add Robinson personally to your list somewhere near Bortles and Mack.
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This is my top 5 in order. These are my observations in what i have seen on tape and read.

1. Bridgewater- smart, accurate, great work ethic. Only knock is weight but should be fine after weighing 214 lbs.

2. Manziel- Has a wow factor, not super fast but has great change of direction. Can be immature and concerns about him running a lot could make him the next RGiii.

3. Clowney- Extremely talented, rare combination of size and speed. But concerns that he has a lamborghini body and a honda fit motor.

4. Bortles- Looks the part, may turn out great but still raw. Very risky pick in my opinion due to people falling in live with his prototypical size for a qb.

5. Mack- super quick off the line. Looks unblockable at times. Comes from small school so competition is a concern.

I will not be angry if the Texans select any of the 5. I would rather see Teddy but will jump on board with any of them.
Let me ask you this. Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Clowney or Mack?

Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles?

If you answer no to both questions.... then you've got to take your QB. If you answer yes to both questions, then it doesn't really matter.

If you answer yes to one & not the other, then you need to select the other.
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How is 6'1" a short WR? Jeez ...
Really? I don't think it's that absurd.

Look at the less than 6'3"+ WRs, that are strictly WRs (not Pattersons, Harvins, Austins) and look at their success in the NFL that don't have one of very good (top 8 QBs) throwing them the football.

There are definitely some like Steve Smith, Garcon, Boldin, etc, but not many.

I think if guys like Kendall Wright were on a team w/ a very good QB they would be household names putting up Antonio Brown #s.

I have a theory about this though and it involves accurate QBs (the VERY GOOD QBs). Your less accurate QBs like Schaub, Dalton, etc. can just throw jump balls or whatever and those big WRs they have can go up and get them most of the time, but when you get guys like Robert Woods jump balling against a same size CB you have way less success. Your more accurate QBs that can fit the ball anywhere can make anyone great though regardless of size.

This is just my theory though and if you want to shoot it down, fair enough.

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Let me ask you this. Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Clowney or Mack?

Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles?

If you answer no to both questions.... then you've got to take your QB. If you answer yes to both questions, then it doesn't really matter.

If you answer yes to one & not the other, then you need to select the other.
IŽd answer yes to the first question. There usually are great pass rushers in the 2nd or 3d available, Kyle van Noy might be a possibility. And I have major question marks around Clowney and think, that drafting Mack may be reaching a bit. If we were to take him IŽd prefer us trading out of the top spot.

The second question is trickier. I don`t think any other player has the ceiling of these 2 guys. But there are major question marks, if they can hit their ceiling. And it is entirely possible, that a 2nd round QB outperforms them. I also think, that no 2nd round QB is as NFL ready as Bridgewater.

My top 5 would probably be:

1. Bridgewater
2. Manziel
3. Robinson
4. Matthews
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Let me ask you this. Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Clowney or Mack?
Yes. Dee Ford if we are looking at a pure DE. Van Noy if we're looking for a OLB. Plus Van Noy can cover. I haven't seen any reports on Clowney's coverage skills... and at OLB - he's small for what RAC has historically looked for in DEs - he will have to cover on occasion.

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Do you believe there will be one or more players in the second that may do as well as Bridgewater, Manziel, or Bortles?
Now this one, as has been said earlier, is trickier to answer since I don't really know what O'Brien wants in a QB. But I think my answer would be a qualified "yes". Garappolo can be had in the 2nd and maybe Mettenberger or Bret Smith can be had in the 3rd, maybe 4th.
I think Bortles is being overly hyped of late and when Manziel and Bridgewater decided not to showcase their skills at the combine both have dropped down my "board" (if I had a board ). Whatcha skeerd of fellas?

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If you answer no to both questions.... then you've got to take your QB. If you answer yes to both questions, then it doesn't really matter.
I answered yes to both. But that's me. I have this feeling that Bridgewater will be picked by us at 1-1.
...assuming we don't get a sweet trade down deal.
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Really? I don't think it's that absurd.
Well, I never used the word absurd, but I do think it's an extreme position. Just a quick glance at the 2013 receptions leader board shows #1 Garcon at 6', #2 Antonio Brown at 5'10", #3 AJ (6'3", though I've seen him listed at 6'2"), #4 Edelman at 5'10", and #5 Brandon Marshall at 6'4". Rounding out the top 20 are 6 more that are less than your 6'3" mark, 5 of whom are less than 6'1". So 9 of the top 20 are less than 6'3". Notably absent from the top 20 are guys that have been there before or had high yardage and/or TD success, such as Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith (CAR), Victor Cruz, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Dwayne Bowe, Hakeem Nicks, Danny Amendola, or Steve Johnson. All of those WRs are under your arbitrary 6'3" mark, and almost all of them are under the 6'1" height of Sammy Watkins.

And I didn't even mention our own DeAndre Hopkins, who has the capability of being in such a list.
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Well, I never used the word absurd, but I do think it's an extreme position. Just a quick glance at the 2013 receptions leader board shows #1 Garcon at 6', #2 Antonio Brown at 5'10", #3 AJ (6'3", though I've seen him listed at 6'2"), #4 Edelman at 5'10", and #5 Brandon Marshall at 6'4". Rounding out the top 20 are 6 more that are less than your 6'3" mark, 5 of whom are less than 6'1". So 9 of the top 20 are less than 6'3". Notably absent from the top 20 are guys that have been there before or had high yardage and/or TD success, such as Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith (CAR), Victor Cruz, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Dwayne Bowe, Hakeem Nicks, Danny Amendola, or Steve Johnson. All of those WRs are under your arbitrary 6'3" mark, and almost all of them are under the 6'1" height of Sammy Watkins.

And I didn't even mention our own DeAndre Hopkins, who has the capability of being in such a list.
I think you only read the first line of what I said, but fair enough.
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Why isn't BILL one of our choices?
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I would take Clowney, and shoot for a QB at the top of the 2nd. But if I had to take a QB I would go with:

Bridgewater
Bortles
Manziel

We all know that the OL is something that needs serious attention, or it won't matter who is under center.

The poll on the official website has Manziel with a wide margin. Imagine that. I think this poll is a bit more realistic with Bridgewater leading the way.

The combine was a waste of time, and I think only players willing to participate in all of the drills should be invited. If you decide not to throw, etc. your invitation is revoked and you have to rely on your pro day only. Allot of good it did to see Bridgewater and Manziel standing on the sidelines watching other guys throw.

And that is why I have Bortles over Manziel. At least Bortles had the balls to throw and show what he's got. This excuse about not having WR's they are familiar with is total BS. The scouts, coaches and GM's all know that.

I see Manziel as Keenum 2.0, and with that much hype around him, he will never be able to live up to that.

Bridgewater the most pro ready which as already been said, but I have to laugh at people who say he is too thin, but never say the same thing about Manziel who is smaller in every way.
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It's implied that we're talking about potential rookies; so are you saying Bill's a rookie??
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It's implied that we're talking about potential rookies; so are you saying Bill's a rookie??
Depends on the subject. Do you want us to fill in the blank?
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I'm glad I don't have to make this decision. The longer I think about it the more I waffle around and can't settle on a single player.
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I'm glad I don't have to make this decision. The longer I think about it the more I waffle around and can't settle on a single player.


This is where I'm at. Now I'm hoping we can trade down and get 3-4 first round talents out of this draft
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Default Re: Who would be your #1 choice?

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I'm glad I don't have to make this decision. The longer I think about it the more I waffle around and can't settle on a single player.
I watched "A Football Life " on the NFL Network and Matt Millen was really wanting DeMarcus Ware and Ware fell in his lap . Some of the coaches were talking about Mike Williams WR USC . Matt Millen waffled and let the coaches talk him out of Ware .
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