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Old 02-28-2014   #201
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Ahh AJ McCarron. Skipper of the Senior Bowl presumably because that’s what top picks do. Often ranked at or near the top of the second tier of draft quarterbacks as a viable “QB of the future” option in the second round. Known for having a hot girlfriend and being a “winner”. Looks like he’ll be a good, effective quarterback in the NFL. Wait, scratch that last one...
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I do not see how people pick apart the top three and then look at McCarron and think he is even viable as more than a backup if they are applying the same level of scrutiny.
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I do not see how people pick apart the top three and then look at McCarron and think he is even viable as more than a backup if they are applying the same level of scrutiny.
This isn't so much a comment aimed at McCarron as it is at QBs in general, or rather, the way that people tend to look at QBs.

I understand the nature of the position but it's funny how the QB gets the "winner" tag even when they do little to carry the team to the win. A bad QB on a good team is a "winner", but a good QB on a bad team is often looked at like a lesser player because he didn't win.

Bortles is a "winner". He may regularly dig his team a hole but he drags them out on his back and wins the game. McCarron is not a "winner". I'm not saying he can't be, but it's hilarious to see him get all the credit for winning when all he did was turn around and hand the ball off for four quarters.

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This isn't so much a comment aimed at McCarron as it is at QBs in general, or rather, the way that people tend to look at QBs.

I understand the nature of the position but it's funny how the QB gets the "winner" tag even when they do little to carry the team to the win. A bad QB on a good team is a "winner", but a good QB on a bad team is often looked at like a lesser player because he didn't win.

Bortles is a "winner". He may regularly dig his team a hole but he drags them out on his back and wins the game. McCarron is not a "winner". I'm not saying he can't be, but it's hilarious to see him get all the credit for wining when all he did was turn around and hand the ball off for four quarters.
Not huge on McCarron, but I think his traits are similar to TB's. Runs pro style offense, good student of the game, avg arm strength. McCarron is underrated if you compare him to the TB hype. But I wouldn't touch McCarron until 3-1. Same with Brett Smith/Murray both of whom I like more than McCarron.

I will admit McCarron has a lot of the same traits that Brady had coming out of college. Which is why Brady was a 6th rd pick. But NcCarron could become like Brady if he's willing to work in the film/weight room and perfect his mechanics like Brady did. The odds aren't with McCarron though.
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Not huge on McCarron, but I think his traits are similar to TB's. Runs pro style offense, good student of the game, avg arm strength.
Agreed, all of this is true. However, he is nowhere near as poised under pressure and he isn't as accurate. I think the defining traits of Bridgewater are...

1) How advanced he is mentally
2) His poise
3) His accuracy

McCarron and Bridgewater do share a lot of traits, but there is a difference in how they are perceived because of the few traits that they do not share.
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I do not see how people pick apart the top three and then look at McCarron and think he is even viable as more than a backup if they are applying the same level of scrutiny.
To be fair, there's only one of us.

McCarron's fairly accurate, makes good decisions, takes care of the football, has a fairly strong arm, athletic... not Michael Vick, but not Drew Bledsoe, He's got good size (a little thin for his height), he's played in a major conference, for a major program, produced, & lived up to expectations.

I mentioned in another thread that his numbers were similar to Bridgewater's & another poster straight up laughed at me. He didn't see a similarity between 3900 yards & 3000 yards.... even though I didn't say his passing yards were similar. Completion percentage, YPA, rating, QBR.... all similar, even though McCarron played in a tougher conference.

It's arguable that McCarron had better talent around him, considering Bridgewater had some pretty good WRs, TE, RB, & the #1 defense in Div I football, & he was playing against weaker defenses.

McCarron probably didn't have the control of the offense that we hear Bridgewater had, but I really don't know. He had enough. He made his checks at the line, didn't look to the sideline. He called his audibles... maybe he only had three plays.

The jump from NCAA to NFL is huge & McCarron will struggle like all rookies do. But his jump is not as large as the one Bridgewater will have to make. He was the QB for the #1 team in the BCS for the last three years & he met those expectations. Yes, his team is talented & a lot of the success he received was because of that, but he was a bigger part of that success than he's getting credit for. He's thrown for more yards, more TDs, & less INTs than Greg McElroy or JPW had to. The most recent Alabama team is not as talented as the Alabama teams of yore... still talented, still very talented, I'm not denying that.

If you put Aj McCarron behind an offensive line that out talents most DLs it will face, McCarron will survey the field & make good decisions with the football. If you put talented receivers out in the pattern for him, he will find them & get them the ball. If you put a RB with plus talent in the same backfield with McCarron, an OL with plus talent, better than good receiving options.... McCarron will do his part towards helping that team win a championship. If there was a sure thing in this draft, it would be Aj McCarron, because we've seen him do it.

So what can we do to build a winning team? How 'bout we get Greg Robinson & have the two best tackles in the NFL? With Brooks & Myers who can hold their own, then you've got Quessenberry that everybody loves... that sounds like a pretty good OL to me.

McCarron won't do crap for us if our defense returns to the "normal" 30th rank defense. I don't think Bridgewater will either. Manziel.... too early to tell. I'm willing to see how that works out, so if you'd rather we take Manziel in the first, I could live with it.

Still. I get what you're saying. I must be missing something. The professional scouts had Bridgewater going #1 overall when they thought he was 6'3" 196 lbs. They don't see the hitch in his throwing motion. They like his footwork (If you were honest about it, you know his drop back steps are in no way sync'd to his reads, so there's still a lot of work to do on his footwork at the next level). They believe he's shown the confidence of a guy who should be taken #1 overall. Manziel might seem cocky, McCarron might come across as whiney, but to me, they believe what they say when they say they're the best. I don't get that from Bridgewater. It's totally subjective, I know. If you feel like he has the confidence to lead an NFL franchise... that's fine, but I get the feeling that he really wants to say, "Well, if that's what you want."

& to be really honest, when I watch Bridgewater's games, I like his receivers a lot more than I like McCarron's receivers. Then with McCarron, I see more slants, gos, posts, & 9s... same with Murray, same with Mettenberger. Bridgewater it's mostly curls & crossing routes. Not all, but mostly. I don't think he's going through his reads. I think he's doing more like Schaub, he reads the defense & he has a good idea who's going to be open, he knows where he's going to throw the ball before the snap. Then if that option didn't unfold the way he expected, he moves well enough in the pocket to keep the play alive & find an open receiver. "Technically" the same thing, but functionally different. Not that it's wrong, but it doesn't grade the same as going through a progression.

This is not to say that I don't like Bridgewater, I do. Just not as much as I like McCarron. McCarron fits what has traditionally been referred to as a sure thing & Bridgewater doesn't. Unfortunately for him... hopefully fortunately for us, most people can't look past Alabama's success.

I like Mettenberger, his team is pretty talented too, but somehow he grades better than McCarron when two of his receivers will most likely be in the first 50 players selected.

There's definitely something out there that I'm not seeing. I freely admit that.
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To be fair, there's only one of us.
You are far from the only one mentioning AJ McCarron in the 2nd and 3rd round. You're the only one harping on him as just as good as the top 3 and giving a 1st round grade maybe. But my post was about him not you. I don't think he is worth even a 3rd. He has absolutely zero place in any plan for "possible starting Houston QB" in it IMO.
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I was big fan of AJ until last two games when he just could not get it together. I'm leaning towards Garoppolo in 2nd now and think we can get with a trade down in that round picking him & getting another third.
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I was big fan of AJ until last two games when he just could not get it together. I'm leaning towards Garoppolo in 2nd now and think we can get with a trade down in that round picking him & getting another third.
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[ESPN host] Suzy [Kolber] set the stage by asking me on air if Houston would be better off drafting Jadeveon Clowney at No. 1, then coming back with the first pick in the second round taking Garoppolo?' And I said, 'Well, if that's the case, he won't be there.' What I said is absolutely correct. If word gets out that that's what the [Texans'] strategy is, then other clubs that have interest in him and are below Houston in the second round would try to trade up for him. The guys that are legitimate second-round quarterbacks can get moved up, or overvalued simply because of the competitiveness and the desire to get a quarterback before someone else takes him.
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Nick Saban and TK on the same page...

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Nick Saban and TK on the same page...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...qb-aj-mccarron
This is the way college coaches should be talking up their ex-players. Kudos to Saban.
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Nick Saban and TK on the same page...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...qb-aj-mccarron
I don't know if anyone is going to be sorry they didn't take him in an early round, as long as they get him in a later round. He looks like the most ready player to me & I think he would have done great in this offense with Gary Kubiak. (I have no idea what OB is going to do, but from what I've read, the videos of his clinics that I've watched, & what I've seen Brady do, I think he would be a perfect fit).

Game manager... maybe, but if we've got an OL with Brown, Myers, Brooks, Robinson, WRs Andre & DeAndre, OD, & Arian Foster.... I'm good with a game manager. Especially if he's more athletic than Matt Schaub (which Aj is) & is more clutch than Matt Schaub (which remains to be seen).

If we can keep enough talent around him (or Garropolo, or Bridgewater, or Bortles, or Mettenberger, or just about any of the QBs in this draft), to allow him to be a game manager for three or four years (like Brady, like Roethlisberger, like Flacco, like Ryan, like Wilson) then maybe he'll turn into a franchise guy.

No doubt that each one of the "game managers" I mentioned made plays when their team needed them to make plays & were in fact quite a bit more than the Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer class of "game manager" I think Aj can be that guy (in Kubiak's offense for sure) because he did very similar things in big games already.

Yes he had some bad games..... but Peyton Manning just got pantsed for the second consecutive year in the play-offs. iotw, they all have bad games, being able to shake it off & rebound is more important to me at this time.

I don't care to push Aj down any of your throats. I believe with this class several of them can & will be successful depending more on the situation they go to, than the actual talent they may possess. I saw what Kubiak could do with a back-up lacking in "clutch" even as his physical capacities diminished. I only hope that OB can be as effective...

At the very least (the floor) I think Bridgewater, McCarron, Murray, Fales, Bortles, Manziel, Garropolo, Mettenberger, Shaw can be Kubiak's Matt Schaub. & if one of them had the potential to be a true franchise QB he would give them an excellent opportunity to reach that potential.

But... Kubiak's not here & I have no idea how well OB can develop a QB (McGloin hints of good things to come though), so we'll see.

/rant..... start McCarron bashing.
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I was big fan of AJ until last two games when he just could not get it together. I'm leaning towards Garoppolo in 2nd now and think we can get with a trade down in that round picking him & getting another third.
Speaking of Garoppolo, this is the draft if we use the NFL.com rankings:
1. Javedon Clowney DE
33. Derek Carr QB
65. Kyle Van Noy OLB
97. Jimmy Garoppolo QB
129. Chris Smith DE
161. Alfred Blue RB
193. Dezman Southward FS

I could live with that draft though I'd prefer Mitchell CB in the sixth
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I don't know if anyone is going to be sorry they didn't take him in an early round, as long as they get him in a later round. He looks like the most ready player to me & I think he would have done great in this offense with Gary Kubiak. (I have no idea what OB is going to do, but from what I've read, the videos of his clinics that I've watched, & what I've seen Brady do, I think he would be a perfect fit).

Game manager... maybe, but if we've got an OL with Brown, Myers, Brooks, Robinson, WRs Andre & DeAndre, OD, & Arian Foster.... I'm good with a game manager. Especially if he's more athletic than Matt Schaub (which Aj is) & is more clutch than Matt Schaub (which remains to be seen).

If we can keep enough talent around him (or Garropolo, or Bridgewater, or Bortles, or Mettenberger, or just about any of the QBs in this draft), to allow him to be a game manager for three or four years (like Brady, like Roethlisberger, like Flacco, like Ryan, like Wilson) then maybe he'll turn into a franchise guy.

No doubt that each one of the "game managers" I mentioned made plays when their team needed them to make plays & were in fact quite a bit more than the Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer class of "game manager" I think Aj can be that guy (in Kubiak's offense for sure) because he did very similar things in big games already.

Yes he had some bad games..... but Peyton Manning just got pantsed for the second consecutive year in the play-offs. iotw, they all have bad games, being able to shake it off & rebound is more important to me at this time.

I don't care to push Aj down any of your throats. I believe with this class several of them can & will be successful depending more on the situation they go to, than the actual talent they may possess. I saw what Kubiak could do with a back-up lacking in "clutch" even as his physical capacities diminished. I only hope that OB can be as effective...

At the very least (the floor) I think Bridgewater, McCarron, Murray, Fales, Bortles, Manziel, Garropolo, Mettenberger, Shaw can be Kubiak's Matt Schaub. & if one of them had the potential to be a true franchise QB he would give them an excellent opportunity to reach that potential.

But... Kubiak's not here & I have no idea how well OB can develop a QB (McGloin hints of good things to come though), so we'll see.

/rant..... start McCarron bashing.
I won't bash,I just disagree. I don't know what kinda suits you buy,but I buy super 110 or higher. Why? Great quality,soft feel,and I don't worry about them busting out. Unless you can tell me when under pressure that aj won't come undone like a cheap suit,I can't get past that. I can't get past the continued errored reads he made vs ok in the bowl as well as tenn in 2012. Even with a all american line and high end skill players, under pressure he threw the ball up for grabs and could see defeders standing in front of his wrs. We know everything isn't gonna be clean regardless of who you have. He has pedigree in folding under pressure,jmo.
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Don't think I saw it anywhere so here is AJ McCarron's proday. I can see why some gave him strong reviews for the showing. It was a pretty good outing honestly. I definitely like the spin he puts on the ball.

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Don't think I saw it anywhere so here is AJ McCarron's proday. I can see why some gave him strong reviews for the showing. It was a pretty good outing honestly. I definitely like the spin he puts on the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH2k1LU1tyA
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"day 1 starters aren't that horrible in the pocket. day 1 starters have better arm strength than that. day 1 starters know how to read defenses. AJ is a day 3 pick"

This may be the first time in my life that I've quoted a commenter from YouTube.
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AJ McCarron will win Super Bowl, Kevin Norwood predicts
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"The team that picks up AJ is going to be really lucky," Norwood wrote. "To me, in all honesty, if not the first year or the second year or the third year or the fourth year -- whatever -- he's going to win that Super Bowl. That's how confident I am in him. He reminds me of an Eli or Peyton Manning. His mannerisms, the way he calls plays, changes to audibles and gets us in the right play and the right formation, it's professional."
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"I think AJ's more ready than any other quarterback coming out," he said. "And I think I'm more ready than any other receiver coming out. We've won three national championships. We know what it takes to win. We know how hard you've got to work to win. We're leaders, on and off the field."
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McCarron won two national championships as a starter -- he redshirted for Alabama's 2009 title team -- but benefitted from elite talent around him on both sides of the ball. That doesn't necessarily make him less of a pro prospect, as his critics have suggested, but his chance of winning a Super Bowl early in his NFL career will have as much to do with who drafts him as it does with his own play.
I think that's true of all the QBs in this draft. When I say there's no "Andrew Luck" in this draft, I mean there isn't a franchise changing QB in this draft. None of these guys are going to make Detroit a winner, or Cleveland, or Buffalo. Brady made New England Champions, Peyton put Indy on the map, & Phillip Rivers made San Diego a perennial play off team (for a while at least). Stafford needs help to get the Lions into the play offs. Bradford needs help to find a winning season.

It's just my opinion, & you may think I'm wrong, but I don't see any QB in this draft leading the Houston Texans to the next level & that includes Aj McCarron. I believe he & 4 others (the list is down to 5) can help us get back to the play offs & stay there for a good while. It doesn't matter to me which of the 5 we get.

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