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Old 02-28-2014   #2661
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When asked who's brother was the worst NFL QB.
Haha does Johnny even have a brother? Wait, never mind, it doesn't matter.
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I think its pretty clear Manziel will be a Texan this year. I have personal doubts on whether its the right thing or not, but I'm almost certain its happening. Of course I also believed Beyonce would marry me too one day and that hasn't happened so who knows.
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I think its pretty clear Manziel will be a Texan this year.
Damn!! & I was just warming up to the idea of Bridgewater.
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I think its pretty clear Manziel will be a Texan this year. I have personal doubts on whether its the right thing or not, but I'm almost certain its happening. Of course I also believed Beyonce would marry me too one day and that hasn't happened so who knows.
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I'm amazed at all these mock drafts that have the Texans taking Jadeveon Clowney.

Me too .... just too many questions about him , health , motor , productivity , "strength" (21 reps?!) .... and character.

One you might overlook , two raises a red flag , three ... You run away , far away. Five .... I thought three was enough?!
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I personally believe this is a 2 horse race between TB and BB. Someone from the AAC will be playing for the Texans next year, I just don't know who.

With all Houston Sports teams (with regards to trades and draft picks), they always seem to focus the flood light in one direction drawing all attention over there while there is secret back door deals going on at the other side of the parking lot.

Mario Williams, Merciless, JJ Watt, James Harden, etc.

They keep things close to the vest in this city and love to keep everyone guessing. Too many flood lights have been on JFF and Clowney so now I don't believe there is a chance.
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I had the exact same thought process.
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Tony Dungy: If I'm committed to winning, I'd take Johnny Manziel
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...Dungy, the former head coach of the Buccaneers and Colts, says Manziel is not the type of quarterback who will fit into a traditional pro-style offense.

"My two concerns would be, No. 1, if you take him, you've got to build your offense around what he can do," Dungy told The Musers on KTCK AM radio. "Very much what you'd have to do with Tim Tebow. You've gotta make a commitment and say, 'We're going to build around him.' That's not hard to do. You can do that.

"The second concern I'd have is, can he stay healthy?" he said. "We saw it with Robert Griffin -- spectacular athlete, special player. But when you build it on that mobility, you always have the concern: Can he hold up and stay healthy around these big players?"
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"He is productive, he's a winner," Dungy said. "He's a guy that excites his teammates. He gets the most out of everybody around him. That's what you're looking for in a quarterback. But is he talented enough? Can you win with him? Is he going to make plays in the NFL? Absolutely. Should he be a top-five pick? We'll see how that goes. If I'm committed to winning, I'd take him."
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"My two concerns would be, No. 1, if you take him, you've got to build your offense around what he can do," Dungy told The Musers on KTCK AM radio. "Very much what you'd have to do with Tim Tebow. You've gotta make a commitment and say, 'We're going to build around him.' That's not hard to do. You can do that.
Is Tim Tebow really a good example for this? How about someone unconventional but successful?
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"The second concern I'd have is, can he stay healthy?" he said. "We saw it with Robert Griffin -- spectacular athlete, special player. But when you build it on that mobility, you always have the concern: Can he hold up and stay healthy around these big players?"
Been saying this since the zone read made it to the NFL. Mobility for a QB is a nice thing to have, but when it's your primary skill you are doomed. You will either be forced to adapt or you will be run out of the league by injuries.

I still laugh at these people who think there is going to be some drastic change in how the QB position is played. Are there better athletes at the QB position now than there ever have been? Yes. Does the same also hold true for every other position? Yes. You still have to be able to win with your arm to be successful.
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Good maybe he will fall to us in the second round.
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Parts of this may have been posted somewhere else, but the summarization of Braddock's valid observations has got to give one pause.

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The fact Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel dared the Houston Texans not to take him with the No. 1 overall pick probably won’t work in the quarterback’s favor. In an interview two weeks ago, Manziel claimed if the Texans pass on him with the No. 1 overall pick, “It would be the worst decision they’ve ever made.”

Despite the professional manner of Manziel’s approach to the combine, the previous comment might not sit well with Houston Texans head coach Bill O’Brien.
“…if Manziel really wants to be the No. 1 overall pick, you know what he needs? Someone who’ll tell him that the more you dare/challenge/finger-wag at a guy like O’Brien — which in my view is what Manziel’s sales pitch has done — the more likely O’Brien will ask where the (bleep) you get off challenging him when you haven’t peed a drop in the NFL. And the more likely O’Brien will view you as a salesman/brand advancer who covets the trappings that accompany being the No. 1 overall pick as much as you want to play football for the team that happens to hold that selection.

”Manziel could have taken a step in the right direction by throwing at the NFL combine. He could have come out, competed and showed, without question, he was the top quarterback. He ran an impressive 4.56-second 40-yard dash, but he didn’t throw.

So what are the pros about Johnny Manziel. Fellow NFL Scout Jayson Braddock had this to say about Manziel’s upside. “I know everyone loves this kid’s game and going into the film I thought I would too. Fact of the matter is that there isn’t much about his game that excites me at the NFL level. Johnny is exceptional at evading the pass rush and running with the ball. He can also avoid pass rushers and keep plays alive long enough to get the ball into one of his playmaker’s hands. I don’t like the Russell Wilson comparisons. He’s more on par with Mike Vick, when Vick was coming out of Virginia Tech. He has a weaker arm than Vick did then, but better accuracy.”

Now when Jayson spoke on his cons, he had a lot more to say. “What would Johnny be without an offensive line? He routinely had 5-6 seconds on every drop. This has thrown off his internal clock and on top of all the other developing he’ll have to do at the NFL level, he’ll have to understand that the ball has to be gone.

“He has also been spoiled with this protection. It’s allowed him to click through his progressions and not be forced at developing a smooth rhythm of getting through his reads. In the 4th quarter of the Duke game was the first time I saw Manziel flow through his progressions.

The comfort he had at Texas A&M in the pocket also developed wasted moments that will have to be taken out. He bunny hops before the throw. He has to do the bunny hop, like a free throw shooter with their ritual. It’ll take a ton of in-game snaps to keep his rhythm while taking away his ritual.”

Manziel has a horrific tendency of staring down his throws. He won’t get away with this at the next level. Johnny shows passes with lob or touch few and far between. His arm strength is adequate at best and instead of having a natural motion he uses all arm to “fling” the ball and try to fit it in a window.

His mechanics will need drastic improvement like what we saw out of Cam Newton after college. The concern is that I still see Cam revert back to what he’s done for most of his life and forget the training over the last few seasons. How will Manziel adapt to a makeover of all his mechanics?

Manziel really struggles with his accuracy on throws outside the numbers to the field side.

While he’s an exciting college player to watch, I’d wouldn’t put the next few years of my franchise’s success on his young shoulders.

The 3rd round is where I’d be comfortable in using a pick and developing him. However, someone will fall in love with him just like they did with Vick and probably use a high round pick on him.
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He indeed had tremendous OL protection. And it was amazing how he generated such great excitement for his play running around in circles for what seemed like minutes............just to complete so many of those 5-8 yard passes that a pocket passer with that same OL protection would have hit in a matter of a few seconds.
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He indeed had tremendous OL protection. And it was amazing how he generated such great excitement for his play running around in circles for what seemed like minutes............just to complete so many of those 5-8 yard passes that a pocket passer with that same OL protection would have hit in a matter of a few seconds.
These QB "grades" this year are puzzling. Like someone really wants a QB at the top of this draft.
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Says the man who lucked into Peyton Manning and drafted 2 QBs in Tampa Bay who had a combined <5000 yards passing in their career. And, yes, most of that is Shaun King.

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It's like that every year.

We just haven't needed a QB in so long that we never really noticed.
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With all Houston Sports teams (with regards to trades and draft picks), they always seem to focus the flood light in one direction drawing all attention over there while there is secret back door deals going on at the other side of the parking lot.

Mario Williams, Merciless, JJ Watt, James Harden, etc.

They keep things close to the vest in this city and love to keep everyone guessing. Too many flood lights have been on JFF and Clowney so now I don't believe there is a chance.
Yep, and this is why I believe more each day that Teddy Bridgewater will be our pick at 1.1 when its all said an done.

I mean the guy has been in the conversation for first overall QB in the 2014 for over a year...and there is a reason why.

Manziel didn't catapult into the first overall discussion until that crazy comeback win against Duke. That single game really started a big upward trend for his draft stock. If you look back into early December mock drafts, most projected him as a late first, early second round pick.

Same for Bortles. Throughout the season you never heard his name mentioned as a candidate for a high first round pick. And then his team beats Baylor in the BCS bowl game and he instantly becomes a favorite for our first overall pick. I mean really, does that make any sense? Bortles didn't even throw the ball that well against Baylor, and did most of his damage on the ground via the read option.

Every time I see a piece that seems to attempt to persuade me in one players direction, I really just start thinking the opposite.
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I don't think manziel fits the bob mold. Ob has pushed team first. I think he'd rather have a qb that will fit into the team concept on and off the field. I think it's either TB at 1, which is what I very much think will happen or a trade down and take bortles. I don't think manziel is an option honestly. The way he plays and the big persons he carries just doesn't seem to mesh with what I think BO wants.

Jmo. I just wish the draft would come so we can just get it done and move forward with whoever we choose.
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You've got to be kidding...

More exciting player? Certainly. Superior as a QB? No.

Wilson was a slightly better athlete. Had a stronger arm. Played in two different pro style systems while Manziel has only played in Sumlin's high school offense. Wilson was named team captain at Wisconsin by his teammates after only having been there for two weeks. Manziel has maturity concerns (he's also younger than Wilson was). Wilson used his arm as a primary weapon and his legs when he had to. Manziel uses his legs as his primary weapon and his arm as a secondary one. Wilson was a one man team for three years before he got to Wisconsin. Manziel has been surrounded by as much NFL talent as any QB in the country.

Manziel had a great college career and fantastic stats. Won a Heisman. We all know his story.

Wilson had 17 TDs to 1 INT as a RS FR. As a RS SO he had a 379 pass streak without throwing an INT. Led the conference in passing and total offense again as a RS JR. Transferred to Wisconsin and broke the collegiate record for passing efficiency in a pro style offense that he only had weeks to learn before the season started. Led his team to a conference title and had a ratio of 33 TDs to 4 INTs.
I understand that you resist change, but that offense was no High School offense. Better get used to it because it's the future of the NFL.
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