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Old 02-26-2014   #81
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1. Teddy Bridgewater Louisville
2. Blake Bortles UCF
3. Johnny Manziel Texas A&M
4. Derek Carr Fresno St
5. Zach Mettenberger LSU
6. Brett Smith Wyoming
7. Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois
8. Connor Shaw South Carolina
9. A.J. McCarron Alabama
10. David Fales San Jose St
Really interested in these and other down the list QB prospects that might tickle OB's fancy. Wondering if he'll throw a curveball.

Reported that Texans met with Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU at the Combine and Stephen Morris, QB, Miami at the Senior Bowl.

Gil Brandt was chirping about Tom Savage's arm at the Combine, saying it was the best in group 2 which would include Shaw, Vaughn, Thomas.
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Post Combine update. I only have the top four rounds of my board done right now. This is where I grade the prospects, not necessarily where I think they will be drafted. If they aren't on this list then I have them graded 5th round or later for now..

QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville - 1st
2. Blake Bortles - UCF - 1st
3. Johnny Manziel - Texas A&M - 1st
4. Derek Carr - Fresno St - 2nd
5. Zach Mettenberger - LSU - 2nd
6. Jimmy Garoppolo - Eastern Illinois - 3rd
7. Aaron Murray - Georgia - 4th
8. A.J. McCarron - Alabama - 4th

RB
1. Tre Mason - Auburn - 1st
2. Bishop Sankey - Washington - 1st
3. Carlos Hyde - Ohio St - 2nd
4. Charles Sims - West Virginia - 2nd
5. Lache Seastrunk - Baylor - 3rd
6. Andre Williams - Boston College - 3rd
7. Ka'Deem Carey - Arizona - 3rd
8. Jeremy Hill - LSU - 3rd
9. Terrance West - Towson - 4th
10. Jerick McKinnon - Georgia Southern - 4th
11. Isaiah Crowell - Alabama St - 4th

FB
1. Trey Millard - Oklahoma - 4th

WR
1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson - 1st
2. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU - 1st
3. Mike Evans - Texas A&M - 1st
4. Marqise Lee - USC - 1st
5. Donte Moncrief - Ole Miss - 1st
6. Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt - 2nd
7. Brandin Cooks - Oregon St - 2nd
8. Kelvin Benjamin - Florida St - 2nd
9. Allen Robinson - Penn St - 2nd
10. Davante Adams - Fresno St - 2nd
11. Jarvis Landry - LSU - 3rd
12. Martavis Bryant - Clemson - 3rd
13. Paul Richardson - Colorado - 3rd
14. Robert Herron - Wyoming - 3rd
15. Jared Abbrederis - Wisconsin - 4th
16. Bruce Ellington - South Carolina - 4th

TE
1. Eric Ebron - North Carolina - 1st
2. Troy Niklas - Notre Dame - 1st
3. Jace Amaro - Texas Tech - 2nd
4. Austin Seferian-Jenkins - Washington - 2nd
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa - 3rd
6. Arthur Lynch - Georgia - 3rd
7. Crockett Gilmore - Colorado St - 4th
8. Joe Don Duncan - Dixie St - 4th

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Murray graded as a 4th rounder is interesting??
is that mainly for the injury or something else? considering that z.mett is 2nd round
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Murray graded as a 4th rounder is interesting??
is that mainly for the injury or something else? considering that z.mett is 2nd round
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Murray does a lot of things well but he doesn't do anything great. To me, he fits in the Colt McCoy/Kirk Cousins/Matt Barkley department as far as physical skills go. I see a NFL backup QB. He seems intelligent, but not intelligent enough to make up for his physical limitations at the next level.

I don't like his size. His arm is meh. It's good enough for the NFL but what he lacks in arm strength he doesn't make up for anywhere else. He gets a lot of passes batted down at the line. He needs a clean pocket for any throw longer than 15 yards. He's accurate but not amazingly accurate. His ball gets where it's going but there is no zip. He plays in a pro style offense and makes good pre snap reads but takes way too long going through his progressions if his first guy is covered.

He has good mechanics. He has a smooth delivery, a quick release, and good footwork. He has good enough feet to avoid the rush and buy time. By all accounts he is a great leader and a film junkie. He didn't put any absolutely terrible games on tape this year but his performance against Vanderbilt was not pretty. His games last year against South Carolina and Florida were pathetically bad.

I have a 4th round grade on him. I think he is mentally and physically capable of being an effective backup QB, especially in a west coast system. I would not want him to be my starter. He appears to have a very high floor but a very low ceiling. He just looks average to me.
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My thoughts on Murray from a different thread:
I really respect your evals. It amazes me we can look at the same player and come to different observations. I see Murray as having a well above avg arm. A good mind for the game and the ability to uses his feet in the pocket to buy time and still be good enough to run for a 1st down on 3rd and 3. His biggest knocks are he didn't come up big in big games and he's short.

BTW, Jim Miller agrees with me on Murray's arm strength and he said he has seen a lot of Murray's tape in addition to seeing Murray in person.
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OT
1. Greg Robinson - Auburn - 1st
2. Jake Matthews - Texas A&M - 1st
3. Taylor Lewan - Michigan - 1st
4. Antonio Richardson - Tennessee - 1st
5. Morgan Moses - Virginia - 2nd
6. Cyrus Kouandijo - Alabama - 2nd
7. JuWaun James - Tennessee - 3rd
8. Joel Bitonio - Nevada - 3rd
9. James Hurst - North Carolina - 3rd
10. Cameron Fleming - Stanford - 4th
11. Seantrel Henderson - Miami - 4th
12. Billy Turner - North Dakota St - 4th
13. Wesley Johnson - Vanderbilt - 4th

OG
1. Zack Martin - Notre Dame - 1st
2. Gabe Jackson - Mississippi St - 2nd
3. Xavier Su'a-Filo - UCLA - 2nd
4. Brandon Thomas - Clemson - 2nd
5. David Yankey - Stanford - 3rd
6. Cyril Richardson - Baylor - 3rd
7. Kadeem Edwards - Tennessee St - 4th
8. Anthony Steen - Alabama - 4th
9. Trai Turner - LSU - 4th

C
1. Weston Richburg - Colorado St - 2nd
2. Marcus Martin - USC - 3rd
3. Travis Swanson - Arkansas - 3rd
4. Russell Bodine - North Carolina - 4th
5. Bryan Stork - Florida St - 4th

DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney - South Carolina - 1st
2. Kony Ealy - Missouri - 1st
3. Stephon Tuitt - Notre Dame - 1st
4. Kareem Martin - North Carolina - 1st
5. Trent Murphy - Stanford - 2nd
6. Chris Smith - Arkansas - 2nd
7. Scott Crichton - Oregon St - 2nd
8. Jackson Jeffcoat - Texas - 3rd
9. Marcus Smith - Louisville - 3rd
10. Trevor Reilly - Utah - 3rd
11. Adrian Hubbard - Alabama - 3rd
12. Brent Urban - Virginia - 4th
13. Will Clarke - West Virginia - 4th

DT
1. Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh - 1st
2. Timmy Jernigan - Florida St - 1st
3. Louis Nix - Notre Dame - 1st
4. Ra'Shede Hageman - Minnesota - 2nd
5. Dominique Easley - Florida - 2nd
6. Kelcy Quarles - South Carolina - 2nd
7. Will Sutton - Arizona St - 2nd
8. DaQuan Jones - Penn St - 3rd
9. DeAndre Coleman - California - 3rd
10. Ego Ferguson - LSU - 3rd
11. Caraun Reid - Princeton - 4th
12. Anthony Johnson - LSU - 4th
13. George Uko - USC - 4th
14. Ryan Carrethers - Arkansas St - 4th

Some of the guys I have listed at DE do not project to that position (ex. Jeffcoat is a 34 edge rusher), but I list them with the other DEs because I rate them as pure pass rushers who I would not use in coverage.
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I really respect your evals. It amazes me we can look at the same player and come to different observations. I see Murray as having a well above avg arm. A good mind for the game and the ability to uses his feet in the pocket to buy time and still be good enough to run for a 1st down on 3rd and 3. His biggest knocks are he didn't come up big in big games and he's short.

BTW, Jim Miller agrees with me on Murray's arm strength and he said he has seen a lot of Murray's tape in addition to seeing Murray in person.
Murray has plenty of arm strength in the sense that he can throw the ball far, what I mean is that I don't think his ball has enough zip on it. To me, it doesn't seem to get to it's destination quickly enough.

I respect his preparation but I think he is a very poor improviser. He makes good checks at the line, but if his first read is covered he seems to take forever to find the next one.

He has good feet in the pocket but he panics under pressure.

I think a lot of his issues can be worked with, but I still feel that his ceiling is that of a NFL backup.
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Murray has plenty of arm strength in the sense that he can throw the ball far, what I mean is that I don't think his ball has enough zip on it. To me, it doesn't seem to get to it's destination quickly enough.

I respect his preparation but I think he is a very poor improviser. He makes good checks at the line, but if his first read is covered he seems to take forever to find the next one.

He has good feet in the pocket but he panics under pressure.

I think a lot of his issues can be worked with, but I still feel that his ceiling is that of a NFL backup.
To be fair, All of Murray's WR's and RB's got hurt. Because of this Murray's timing was off against Vandy. He flat out stunk against S.Carolina. But when you compare Nurray's body of work against every other QB in this draft. Murray hold up as well as any QB in this draft. IMHO Whether Murray's game translates well to the NFL is the question. I think he has a chance to be as good as Schaub was in 2009 and in my mind that's good enough to win a SB. How many/of the QB's in this draft have a chance to be as good as 2009 Scaub. 1 probably be better but I wouldn't bet on any of them.
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To be fair, All of Murray's WR's and RB's got hurt. Because of this Murray's timing was off against Vandy. He flat out stunk against S.Carolina. But when you compare Nurray's body of work against every other QB in this draft. Murray hold up as well as any QB in this draft. IMHO Whether Murray's game translates well to the NFL is the question. I think he has a chance to be as good as Schaub was in 2009 and in my mind that's good enough to win a SB. How many/of the QB's in this draft have a chance to be as good as 2009 Scaub. 1 probably be better but I wouldn't bet on any of them.
That's a fair assessment. I agree that his mental makeup translates to the pros very well, which is why I think he will have a long NFL career.

Where we disagree is that I do not think that his physical skill set translates very well.

I think he would make a great backup because he could probably learn the intricacies of any system fairly quickly, he has the necessary skills to come into the game in a pinch if need be, but I don't believe he is talented enough to be a starting QB. I would be all for giving him a shot to prove me wrong. He seems like the kind of guy who would put more than his fair share of the work in, but I think his ceiling lies somewhere below good Schaub and above Keenum's.
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OLB
1. Khalil Mack - Buffalo - 1st
2. Anthony Barr - UCLA - 1st
3. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St - 1st
4. Kyle Van Noy - BYU - 1st
5. Dee Ford - Auburn - 1st
6. Lamin Barrow - LSU - 2nd
7. Telvin Smith - Florida St - 3rd
8. Jeremiah Attaochu - Georgia Tech - 3rd
9. Jordan Zumwalt - UCLA - 4th
10. Kevin Pierre-Louis - Boston College - 4th
11. Christian Kirksey - Iowa - 4th
12. Tyler Starr - South Dakota - 4th

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley - Alabama - 1st
2. Carl Bradford - Arizona St - 2nd
3. Chris Borland - Wisconsin - 2nd
4. Yawin Smallwood - Connecticut - 2nd
5. Shayne Skov - Stanford - 2nd
6. Christian Jones - Florida St - 3rd
7. Andrew Jackson - Western Kentucky - 4th

CB
1. Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St - 1st
2. Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St - 1st
3. Jason Verrett - TCU - 1st
4. Kyle Fuller - Virginia Tech - 1st
5. Bradley Roby - Ohio St - 2nd
6. Keith McGill - Utah - 2nd
7. Marcus Roberson - Florida - 3rd
8. E.J. Gaines - Missouri - 3rd
9. Terrance Mitchell - Oregon - 3rd
10. Ross Cockrell - Duke - 4th
11. Loucheiz Purifoy - Florida - 4th
12. Rashaad Reynolds - Oregon St - 4th
13. Antone Exum - Virginia Tech - 4th
14. Jaylen Watkins - Florida - 4th
15. Andre Hal - Vanderbilt - 4th

FS
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix - Alabama - 1st
2. Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St - 2nd
3. Deone Bucannon - Washington St - 2nd
4. Calvin Pryor - Louisville - 2nd
5. Terrence Brooks - Florida St - 3rd
6. Pierre Desir - Lindenwood - 3rd
7. Jimmie Ward - Northern Illinois - 3rd
8. Stanley Jean-Baptiste - Nebraska - 4th
9. Tre Boston - North Carolina - 4th

SS
1. Craig Loston - LSU - 2nd
2. Ed Reynolds - Stanford - 3rd
3. Ahmad Dixon - Baylor - 4th
4. Kenny Ladler - Vanderbilt - 4th

I designate FS and SS differently than most. To me, FS is a S that I would trust with coverage responsibility. SS is a S that I would not. Depending on scheme, some of these guys would line up elsewhere. Ex. Joyner and Desir are CB/S hybrids to me, they could play anywhere from CB, NB, FS, or SS depending on what team they are on.
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Bah, have you looked at Dimtri Goodson? He's a real late rd sleeper that could really be a upgrade from McCain. I also like Carrington Byndham for that role.
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Haha I played with Meech (Demetri). Can't believe he's an NFL prospect now. And I don't mean that in a derogatory way. He was just always a basketball player first and didn't take football serious in high school.
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Bah, have you looked at Dimtri Goodson? He's a real late rd sleeper that could really be a upgrade from McCain. I also like Carrington Byndham for that role.
I'm very familiar with both Goodson and Byndom. I have both rated as UDFAs right now.

Goodson is very raw, which is fine but he is going to be 25 at the start of his rookie year. He also looks pretty soft. He doesn't like contact. That's okay if you're an exceptional athlete, but he's not. He's a good athlete. He's also an injury waiting to happen. If his brother weren't already in the NFL I don't think people would think very highly of him.

Byndom is not athletic enough to be a NFL CB and not physical enough to be a Safety, IMO. He had one good pretty good year in college but regressed quite a bit the year after.

There are a bunch of quality CBs this year which pushes these guys down the list. I think both could have an outside shot at making a roster, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I think he would make a great backup because he could probably learn the intricacies of any system fairly quickly, he has the necessary skills to come into the game in a pinch if need be, but I don't believe he is talented enough to be a starting QB. I would be all for giving him a shot to prove me wrong. He seems like the kind of guy who would put more than his fair share of the work in, but I think his ceiling lies somewhere below good Schaub and above Keenum's.
For any of these guys, I think if you get him with a Kubiak, Shanahan, Mike Martz, Josh McDaniels, Mike McCoy... or hopefully Bill O"Brien I think they will do very well..... good Schaub would be their floor..... jmo. It's up to them to bring the playmaking ability with them.

I like the Mettenberger, Murray, & McCarrons better because watching them I see them hang in the pocket & work their system more than the other guys. Even Bridgewater. These guys pump fake, throw back shoulder, look off safeties, & take hits in the pocket as they throw a fairly accurate ball.

Murray & McCarron, I think are the most NFL ready. May not be the most athletic, don't have a lot of wow. Mettenberger & Bridgewater are probably next on my list. Then Fales & Bortles.

Manziel is totally different..... on a scale all his own, more like Vick, Newton, & Young. Mostly wow. He doesn't have the arm those three had & he doesn't have the size of Newton & Young, or the speed of Vick (or Newton).
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If Hyde can drop about 10-15 pounds and improve his top end speed just a little (4.50) 40 I think that guy can be special.

I love the way he bounces off tackles, but I think in the NFL they are a little more apt to not you let slide past the first defender every time, so he needs a little more top end speed.

Obviously good stuff.
Well... He didn't do it. Slower than I thought. Is he the next Eddie Lacy?

I know you told me to watch his other events, but I don't think that he even attempted them so this is pretty much what I have to go off of.
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Well... He didn't do it. Slower than I thought. Is he the next Eddie Lacy?

I know you told me to watch his other events, but I don't think that he even attempted them so this is pretty much what I have to go off of.
Yea I think he pulled a hamstring or something because I didn't see him do anything after the 40 and it looked like he came up lame.
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For any of these guys, I think if you get him with a Kubiak, Shanahan, Mike Martz, Josh McDaniels, Mike McCoy... or hopefully Bill O"Brien I think they will do very well..... good Schaub would be their floor..... jmo. It's up to them to bring the playmaking ability with them.

I like the Mettenberger, Murray, & McCarrons better because watching them I see them hang in the pocket & work their system more than the other guys. Even Bridgewater. These guys pump fake, throw back shoulder, look off safeties, & take hits in the pocket as they throw a fairly accurate ball.

Murray & McCarron, I think are the most NFL ready. May not be the most athletic, don't have a lot of wow. Mettenberger & Bridgewater are probably next on my list. Then Fales & Bortles.

Manziel is totally different..... on a scale all his own, more like Vick, Newton, & Young. Mostly wow. He doesn't have the arm those three had & he doesn't have the size of Newton & Young, or the speed of Vick (or Newton).
To each their own. I am a fan of guys who are "pro ready", as they require less projection and mental work to adapt to the pros. But you still need to have the physical skill set, which I think Murray lacks.

I think Bridgewater and Murray are the two most mentally pro ready passers in this draft. If O'Brien picked Murray I would be ecstatic, as it would show that he believes Murray has the necessary physical skills.

McCarron played in a pro system but he was so protected that it's hard to project his skills. He barely had to do anything, not necessarily because he can't but he certainly wasn't asked to.

Mettenberger played in Cameron's offense and made great strides this year, but it was only his first year in that system. He still has a long way to go mentally.

I want no part of Manziel. He may end up great but his flaws are gargantuan to me and not worth the risk.
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1. Khalil Mack - Buffalo - 1st
2. Anthony Barr - UCLA - 1st
3. Ryan Shazier - Ohio St - 1st
4. Kyle Van Noy - BYU - 1st
5. Dee Ford - Auburn - 1st
6. Lamin Barrow - LSU - 2nd
7. Telvin Smith - Florida St - 3rd
8. Jeremiah Attaochu - Georgia Tech - 3rd
9. Jordan Zumwalt - UCLA - 4th
10. Kevin Pierre-Louis - Boston College - 4th
11. Christian Kirksey - Iowa - 4th
12. Tyler Starr - South Dakota - 4th
BIG drop off after the top guys. i wonder if the texans will have similar evaluations and intern what they do about it. go after someone in FA, or trade down targeting one of the top guys?
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I love your work, bah. This is some excellent stuff.
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