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Old 02-24-2014   #1961
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Yeah, probably will come back and try to convince us keenum is the guy. Btw, clowney ran a 7.27 in the 3 cone which was 9th among dl. As I've said b4, clowney is an explosive ,straight line athlete. Can't bend or change direction. Nothing freakish about a straight line guy.
meh , the only thing that matters is his 40 time ....
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I think your preference for a more "quiet" leader is off-target in the current NFL. Most of the top ones aren't the quiet types. Sure, rah-rah can be OVERdone, but having fire isn't a flaw.
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Bridgewater is the most likely to fall because there is nothing about him physically that stands out.

Manziel has his scrambling ability, Bortles has his size. Bridgewater is average size, average arm, but he is very cerebral. Ahead of the game mentally.

The reason guys like Logan Thomas are always drafted too early is the same reason guys like Bridgewater fall. Coaches always feel they can bring Thomas up to Bridgewater's level mentally, and they know they can't bring Bridgewater up to Thomas' level physically.
Arrogance. If you want the fastest car on the street why waste your time buying a Civic and modding it to become comparable to a Corvette. Why not just buy the Vette?

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If he falls out of the top 15 you have to ask yourself what does it take with the 2-1
He is not. Let's not get too overly excited about 1 guys tweets. I've seen a lot of guys 'in the know' not actually know nearly as much as they thought that they did.
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I could agree with you about Manziel in the Texas media. Outside of Texas a majority of the Manziel talk has been negative.
ESPN is National. They don't broadcast SportsCenters purely targeted at Texas. ESPN has been the central story teller here. Not a couple beat writer's Tweets.

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Truth is none of what the pretend scouts, media and talking hairdos say about Bortles is true. Why the group think and talking points. They had locked on to Teddy had been for almost a year. Didn't do their homework. Didn't want to admit they had jumped the gun. Didn't want to admit they were wrong. Come May 4th the 90% will have shrunk substantially.
90% ? Clowney was the #1 pick after he blew up that Michigan RB in 2012. Not TB. You talk about people getting false information from pretend scouts and talking hairdos, yet YOU quote THEIR Tweets more than anyone when they are favorable to your argument.

No one is denying Bortles has the potential to be great. But I remember you calling him Andrew Luck earlier. Andrew Luck ran a 4.5 (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...ewtons-40-time), NOT a 4.93. You can't call everyone a fake when they disagree then give yourself a reprieve every time you make something up.

Nice Try.... Nolan Nawrocki.

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Andrew Luck ran a 4.5, NOT a 4.93. You can't call everyone a fake when they disagree then give yourself a reprieve every time you make something up.

Nice Try.... Nolan Nawrocki.
Speaking of making something up, let's try and get it right, Luck's official 40 was 4.66 NOT 4.5. So yes, over the course of a 40 yd sprint Andrew Luck is a step faster than Blake Bortles. So, Bortles still runs a lot like Luck he's only a step slower at doing it.
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Arrogance. If you want the fastest car on the street why waste your time buying a Civic and modding it to become comparable to a Corvette. Why not just buy the Vette?



He is not. Let's not get too overly excited about 1 guys tweets. I've seen a lot of guys 'in the know' not actually know nearly as much as they thought that they did.
Its just a dream scenario I have in my mind. If you gauged the temperature in the room, i.e. the news chatter, reports, articles, mock drafts, talking heads etc, Bortles and Manziel would more likely be headed to Houston than Teddy. But what I find very interesting are the polls thunderkyss has put up about the pick and which QB is the best for next year. Bridgewater is the clear favorite in both. You would think it woud be less clear with what is being said and thrown around. However, Teddy has the stronger following which leads me to believe there is no way he makes it past 4 and that he is still the favorite for 1-1. Despite Bortles being coached by OB's mentor, (which I never understood as a real factor) or Manziel's groundswell of local support (which I think is just as irrelevant), or Bridgewater not running or throwing (irrelevant as well), the tape from what most have seen say Bridgewater. He is probably the most likely not to fall and most likely to be the highest drafted.

Now that is not to prognosticate and say it is so or to deprecate other opinions, is just an assessment of the likelihood of it all. When it comes down to it, a coach is gonna want the guy least likely to get him fired. Some might see that as drastically different than most likely to win the super bowl, in my mind there a lot closer than most would think.
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Bridgewater is the clear favorite in both.
Group Think! Following the Herd! Sheep! Flavor of the Day.
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This is not group think, I came to my decision like many others from digesting the information on my own, going through scouting reports watching film. It not as if we sat in the same room. You might say that if this guy was the most popular in the media which he is not, or the most famous on TMZ which he isn't. So would it be group think if there a poll for best WR on the team and Dre got 99% of the votes?
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This is not group think, I came to my decision like many others from digesting the information on my own, going through scouting reports watching film. It not as if we sat in the same room. You might say that if this guy was the most popular in the media which he is not, or the most famous on TMZ which he isn't. So would it be group think if there a poll for best WR on the team and Dre got 99% of the votes?
Dude, don't waste your time. Any opinion contrary to his man love for Bortles that says TB is better than his boy is considered to be derived from this mythical ESPN hype he says TB has gotten since last year. It couldn't possibly be the game tape and or anything else...

The reality is the other 2 candidates have received incrementally more hype than TB throughout this whole process.

I like LZ and Clanton's view of Bortles...they called him the minivan of qb's.
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Dude, don't waste your time. Any opinion contrary to his man love for Bortles that says TB is better than his boy is considered to be derived from this mythical ESPN hype he says TB has gotten since last year. It couldn't possibly be the game tape and or anything else...

The reality is the other 2 candidates have received incrementally more hype than TB throughout this whole process.

I like LZ and Clanton's view of Bortles...they called him the minivan of qb's.
When I was discussing the polls, it was not a statement that this guy is better than this guy, but more of an assessment of what is the likeliest thing to happen.
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Speaking of making something up, let's try and get it right, Luck's official 40 was 4.66 NOT 4.5. So yes, over the course of a 40 yd sprint Andrew Luck is a step faster than Blake Bortles. So, Bortles still runs a lot like Luck he's only a step slower at doing it.
More than one step I would bet. If you watched the combine coverage on Monday then you saw the Clowney/Manziel simulcam forty-yard dash.

Clowney ran .15 faster than Manziel and beat him by about 3 steps. Luck was faster than Bortles by .27 so I'd say he's 5 steps slower, not just one.
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More than one step I would bet. If you watched the combine coverage on Monday then you saw the Clowney/Manziel simulcam forty-yard dash.

Clowney ran .15 faster than Manziel and beat him by about 3 steps. Luck was faster than Bortles by .27 so I'd say he's 5 steps slower, not just one.
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More than one step I would bet. If you watched the combine coverage on Monday then you saw the Clowney/Manziel simulcam forty-yard dash.

Clowney ran .15 faster than Manziel and beat him by about 3 steps. Luck was faster than Bortles by .27 so I'd say he's 5 steps slower, not just one.
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Bortles isn't really supposed to be a dual threat QB in any sense. He keeps the play alive with his legs to throw. The Baylor game was an aberration 93 yds, check his game log, Rushing totals -2, 22, 5, 5, 1, 16, 26, -10, 63, 32, -14, 31. His 40 time is irrelevant unless you expect him to drastically change his game. His game is Roethlisberger's.
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It's gonna be funny when TB runs a faster 40 than JFF at his pro day. What will people say then?

He's going to have decent size, good speed, good arm strength, above average ball placement, excellent decision making, excellent football IQ/understanding of the game and what/where/when things need to be done, but people will still knock him for something.

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Bortles isn't really supposed to be a dual threat QB in any sense. He keeps the play alive with his legs to throw. The Baylor game was an aberration 93 yds, check his game log, Rushing totals -2, 22, 5, 5, 1, 16, 26, -10, 63, 32, -14, 31. His 40 time is irrelevant unless you expect him to drastically change his game. His game is Roethlisberger's.
That's what I look for in a QB. Get the ball to your playmakers, they can always run faster and avoid tackles better than you can, and almost always much easier to replace. He's definitely being touted as a dual threat QB though, check out the Bortles thread.
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It's gonna be funny when TB runs a faster 40 than JFF at his pro day. What will people say then?

He's going to have decent size, good speed, good arm strength, above average ball placement, excellent decision making, excellent football IQ/understanding of the game and what/where/when things need to be done, but people will still knock him for something.
They are going to say that it doesn't matter much. Bridgewater doesn't run unless absolutely necessary. There is no real reason to compare Bridgewater's speed to Manziel's speed. Manziel's speed will be compared to other QBs that use their running ability as a large part of their game (Cam Newton, Kaepernick, etc). He doesn't compare all that favorably to those guys in regards to speed.
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Group Think! Following the Herd! Sheep! Flavor of the Day.
Says the guy who searches twitter for other people's opinion so that he can find his opinion...
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More than one step I would bet. If you watched the combine coverage on Monday then you saw the Clowney/Manziel simulcam forty-yard dash.

Clowney ran .15 faster than Manziel and beat him by about 3 steps. Luck was faster than Bortles by .27 so I'd say he's 5 steps slower, not just one.
0.01 of sec is half step. A full step is is approx 3 yds. Clowney beat Manziel by almost a full step.
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Says the guy who searches twitter for other people's opinion so that he can find his opinion...
and he's also the guy that has 3 DVR and records over a dozen college games every week and the reason he searches out others opinions is because he knows he's not the smartest guy in the room. My Bortles evaluation was 100% on my own but it was based on the Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick reasoning of GAME WINNING DRIVE QBs.
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and he's also the guy that has 3 DVR and records over a dozen college games every week and the reason he searches out others opinions is because he knows he's not the smartest guy in the room. My Bortles evaluation was 100% on my own but it was based on the Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick reasoning of GAME WINNING DRIVE QBs.
Where you seem to miss is that you think it impossible for a large group of people to study the same subject and come up with the same answer.

I have a lot of respect for Bortles. He is my #2 QB this year. Bridgewater is my #1. I did my own research and formed my own opinion. It just so happens that a lot of people hold that same opinion after also doing their own research.

Did some people just so happen to see that Bridgewater was considered the top guy and decide to jump on board without making their own decision? Certainly. Did a lot of people do the same exact thing with Bortles when he started to gain steam during the second half of this season? Certainly.

Having a different opinion than the majority doesn't mean that you aren't the one falling victim to the flavor of the day.
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Where you seem to miss is that you think it impossible for a large group of people to study the same subject and come up with the same answer.

I have a lot of respect for Bortles. He is my #2 QB this year. Bridgewater is my #1. I did my own research and formed my own opinion. It just so happens that a lot of people hold that same opinion after also doing their own research.

Having a different opinion than the majority doesn't mean that you aren't the one falling victim to the flavor of the day.
being contrarian just to be contrarian rather than seeing things for what they are. Projecting a little too much based on a guys potential is what he seems to be doing.
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