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So you wouldn't draft Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers first overall?
Show me one of your posts where you stated the Texans should have drafted Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers in the first round. We didn't have the 1st overall pick but I don't remember anyone at anytime saying we should use a 1st round pick on any of them.

I understand there were no Texans when Brees fell out of the 1st, still I don't remember the, "I can't believe Brees fell to the second round" chatter.

Now if you want to use hindsight & draft these guys, wait 'till next year & tell us what we should have done. Until then, guys like Andrew Luck & Phillip Rivers will continue to go before guys like Johnny Manziel & Teddy Bridgewater.
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Show me one of your posts where you stated the Texans should have drafted Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, or Aaron Rodgers in the first round. We didn't have the 1st overall pick but I don't remember anyone at anytime saying we should use a 1st round pick on any of them.

I understand there were no Texans when Brees fell out of the 1st, still I don't remember the, "I can't believe Brees fell to the second round" chatter.

Now if you want to use hindsight & draft these guys, wait 'till next year & tell us what we should have done. Until then, guys like Andrew Luck & Phillip Rivers will continue to go before guys like Johnny Manziel & Teddy Bridgewater.
Once again the point has gone so far over your head that you didn't even know it was there.

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No way we draft a QB who isn't at least 6'3" with the #1 overall pick.
But, haven't these guys I mentioned above proved that their is no magical mark of height that you have to be? This isn't 1998.

We need a QB, and if they best once available happens to not be this magical 6"3, do we not take him and just pick the tallest guy we can.

I think the whole underlying point of your post is that AJ McCarron happens to be listed at 6"4, so he qualifies for a first overall pick in your mind and posting this is just another subtle way to push him up while still not having to admit he is your guy.
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I don't care if JM checks in at 6'6". He is not going #1 to any team. His game just has too many question marks with regards to translating to the NFL.
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I don't care if JM checks in at 6'6". He is not going #1 to any team. His game just has too many question marks with regards to translating to the NFL.
Especially for the Texans. OB has always insisted on a QB which will adhere to STRUCTURE. Manziel has shown this ability in neither his personal life nor on the field.
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Once again the point has gone so far over your head that you didn't even know it was there.

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But, haven't these guys I mentioned above proved that their is no magical mark of height that you have to be? This isn't 1998.

We need a QB, and if they best once available happens to not be this magical 6"3, do we not take him and just pick the tallest guy we can.

I think the whole underlying point of your post is that AJ McCarron happens to be listed at 6"4, so he qualifies for a first overall pick in your mind and posting this is just another subtle way to push him up while still not having to admit he is your guy.
For whatever reason people want to believe I've got an ulterior motive. But I say what I mean. I'm not going to take "the best QB" at 1 overall if he's not 6'3" minimum. I've been pretty clear on this.

& as long as I believe 4 or more of the QBs I want will be on the board at 2.1, I'm not going to take a QB at all in the first. Chances are there are better options.

At least three prototypical LTs, two prototypical #1 WRs, a freak of a DE, two bonafide All-Pro ILBs.... but I'm going to take a 5'10" QB who's game won't translate to the NFL? or a guy with the leadership wherewithal of Matt Schaub?

I don't think so.

Just because Russell Wilson had a 70% chance of being successful in the NFL & made good of it, doesn't mean we should take a 70% propect over a 90% prospect.
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For whatever reason people want to believe I've got an ulterior motive. But I say what I mean. I'm not going to take "the best QB" at 1 overall if he's not 6'3" minimum. I've been pretty clear on this.

& as long as I believe 4 or more of the QBs I want will be on the board at 2.1, I'm not going to take a QB at all in the first. Chances are there are better options.

At least three prototypical LTs, two prototypical #1 WRs, a freak of a DE, two bonafide All-Pro ILBs.... but I'm going to take a 5'10" QB who's game won't translate to the NFL? or a guy with the leadership wherewithal of Matt Schaub?

I don't think so.

Just because Russell Wilson had a 70% chance of being successful in the NFL & made good of it, doesn't mean we should take a 70% propect over a 90% prospect.
You say you won't take a QB #1 who is not at least 6'3", then go on to say you won't take a short QB who's game won't translate to the NFL.

Why would ANYONE take a QB of ANY SIZE whos game won't translate to the NFL?
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You say you won't take a QB #1 who is not at least 6'3", then go on to say you won't take a short QB who's game won't translate to the NFL.

Why would ANYONE take a QB of ANY SIZE whos game won't translate to the NFL?
It's a gamble, no matter who we pick or don't pick. There are thousands of factors that will come into the equation after the draft & it's just too hard to predict (Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Akili Smith).

All we can do is stack the deck in our favor as much as we can with what we know before the draft. Height, weight, arm strength, level of competition, all of it.

I will draft a Logan Thomas, even though his game may not translate to the NFL, because he's got all the tools. Maybe I can teach him to perform at a high level. Of course, I'd have to get him at what I believe to be good value, compared to the other talent available. I'd draft Manziel under the right circumstances. But #1 overall is not the right circumstance. I like him at 15~16, If we trade down to the 10th or 11th pick (along with the appropriate compensation) I'd take him there. That's not to say I think he's a 10th round selection so I might as well take him with the #1 overall..... no.

He's a reach I'm willing to take at 10~11 if I didn't feel as good about the other 4 or 5 QBs I like which are likely to still be on the board.
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Big difference between May not translate and won't translate. Why do you keep adjusting your stance?
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I am starting to think Manziel is the ultimate boom or bust, most teams wont touch him that high, but it only takes one.
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Big difference between May not translate and won't translate. Why do you keep adjusting your stance?
It was hyperbole... used for that particular argument. Not my stance.
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All we can do is stack the deck in our favor as much as we can with what we know before the draft. Height, weight, arm strength, level of competition, all of it.
And herein lies your fatal flaw, you constantly spew out these 3 or 4 "qualifications" as to what you think makes a college QB a good prospect, but where you fail is actually analyzing their specific skill set and concluding just how good of a player they are.

You see Bridgewater as shorter than McCarron and think thats a win for McCarron.

You see Manziel as playing on a talented team but not winning 2 national championships like McCarron and think thats a win for AJ.

You see Bortles and the weak conference he played in and think that is a win for McCarron because he played stiffer competition.

What you don't see (and by your own admission you don't watch CFB) is how talented and skilled these guys are as quarterbacks. If you did see this, you would conclude the same things that 100s of professional scouts have...and that is that McCarron is a inferior player to Bortles, Manziel, and Bridgwater.
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Johnny Manziel getting some tutoring from Kevin O'Donnell an Ex-Bill O'Brien QB.

Does this mean anything?
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Johnny Manziel getting some tutoring from Kevin O'Donnell an Ex-Bill O'Brien QB.

Does this mean anything?
It means that he is preparing to try and impress O'Brien by working with someone who knows him well. Don't think it means anything more than that... like somehow O'Donnell will influence O'Brien to take Manziel because they have past ties (and Irish names) IE the same theory with Bortles and O'Leary
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What you don't see (and by your own admission you don't watch CFB) is how talented and skilled these guys are as quarterbacks. If you did see this, you would conclude the same things that 100s of professional scouts have...and that is that McCarron is a inferior player to Bortles, Manziel, and Bridgwater.
I do not think McCarron is superior to anyone in this draft. At the same time, I don't think Bortles is superior to anyone in this draft. I don't argue that Bridgewater & Manziel are the two best QBs in this draft.

The only thing I argue is the separation between them.

Say, how did those 100s of professionals rate Wilson, Foles, & Cousins compared to Weeden & Osweiler?
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