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Old 02-17-2014   #2301
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STRENGTHS Has very big hands and grips the ball well on the move. Dynamic athlete. Exceptional game-day competitor -- rises to the occasion. Has a passion for the game. Played on the biggest of stages and revels in having his back against the wall. Stepped up against a national-championship Alabama defense in 2012 and has proven he can command come-from-behind victories, as he capped his career in the Chick-fil-A bowl vs. Duke by overcoming a 21-point halftime deficit. Sufficient timing, ball placement and accuracy (68.9 percent career passing percentage). Terrific scrambling ability. Reverse spins and buys time in the pocket while continuing to scan the field -- can still set his feet, alter his throwing motion and manipulate his arm and throwing platform. Houdini-like escapability (uses subtle, nifty sidestep moves) and improvisional ability in the pocket to pull a rabbit out of his hat and create magic. Has peripheral, wide-eyed running vision (sometimes seems like he has eyes in back of his head) and a very good feel for spacing. Carries the ball with a fearless confidence that he will find a way to create and usually gains positive yardage on broken plays when he appears trapped. Is mentally and physically tough -- will pop back up from hard collisions and respond to a challenge. Record-setting and award-winning two-year production. Has a knack for sustaining drives and possesses playmaking ability to create on third downs and in critical situations to keep the sticks moving.

WEAKNESSES Has an unorthodox body type with marginal height, rounded shoulders, an underdeveloped body and very big feet that almost look clumsy. Will need to learn to do a better job protecting his body and sliding. Feels pocket ghosts and often takes off running at the second flash of coverage. Undisciplined -- plays his own offense and presses to make plays. Cannot see over the pocket easily and almost never steps up into it, creating extra difficulties for OL coaches to coordinate blocking schemes and for offensive linemen to anticipate where the pocket will be. Dances around the pocket too much and creates needless sacks rolling into protection when the pocket is clean. Has not worked from under center, and footwork and set-up will require refinement. Often throws the ball up in the air and relies on big receivers to adjust to it and make plays, highly benefiting from the playmaking ability of Mike Evans. Tends to overshoot the deep ball and throw off his back foot, leading to some underthrows (too many dirtballs on the move) and diminished accuracy. Needlessly pats the ball when he scans the field. Could stand to do a better job carrying out play-action fakes. Has not developed a reputation as a worker or for doing the extras. Suspect intangibles -- not a leader by example or known to inspire by his words. Carries a sense of entitlement and prima-donna arrogance seeking out the bright lights of Hollywood. Is known to party too much and is drawn to all the trappings of the game. Lacks ideal starting experience (only two years), operated a non-traditional offense and has a lot to learn.

NFL COMPARISON Rex Grossman, Ryan Leaf makeup, Fran Tarkenton playing style and Russell Wilson playmaking ability

BOTTOM LINE A very unique, run-around, ad-lib, sandlot-style quarterback who consistently won games playing a brand of fast-paced, jailbreak football that often goes off script and can be difficult both to game plan with and against. Is most comfortable on the move outside the pocket where he can find open throwing lanes and see the field and will command mush rush and extra spy defenders. Has defied the odds and proven to be a great college-system quarterback, but still must prove he is willing to work to be great, adjust his hard-partying, Hollywood lifestyle and be able to inspire his teammates by more than his playmaking ability. Overall character, leadership ability and work habits will define his NFL career. Rare competitiveness and third-down efficiency could carry him a long way, yet he will be challenged to avoid a Ryan Leaf-like, crash-and-burn scenario if he does not settle down and mature. A high-risk, high-reward pick, Manziel stands to benefit from entering the NFL at a time when moving pockets are trending.
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All that is great, but what about his insincere smile and personality?
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All that is great, but what about his insincere smile and personality?
I can't believe he put Ryan Leaf in that. Shows bias, imo.
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You know better than this. I have a long record of disdain for IF arguments across the board dating to long before Manziel graduated HS.
It is true though, and you know it. If another QB in this draft had gone on record saying the same thing, it would have been received much differently. Why? Well it's obviously because of Manziel's colored past, and because of that people that already have a negative view on him have taken his quote as a very bad thing.

Thats not to say the opposite isn't just as true, because it is. On the Aggie boards I frequent everyone is praising Manziel for his recent interview and making it seem like his recent words are from holy scripture.

With a player like Manziel, everything will be blow of of proportion whether for good or bad. Players like Bortles and Bridgewater don't have the same national exposure as Manziel, therefore less strong opinions have been formed on them. At this point in his career Manziel is more than just another high first round prospect; he is one of the most popular athletes in America.

I dare you to find anyone out there that absolutely hates Bortles or Bridgewater; probably not going to happen because although many may discount their play, I doubt there is anyone out there that has the same strong feelings towards them as people that many do towards Manziel.
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I can't believe he put Ryan Leaf in that. Shows bias, imo.
I take Nawrocki's analysis with a grain of salt honestly. Some of the stuff he throws out there comes from thin air. He has a questionable reputation in the scouting community. Any guy that says prospects have fake smiles gets eliminated as reputable sources in my book.
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I can buy that. I don't understand how you can't possibly see a positive spin though. (Showing the fierce competitor, showing the determination that won him a heisman, keeping the chip on his shoulder as motivation, etc.)

I've heard more positive and negative spin on this than I thought possible from a short interview. As with most things, I expect it affirms the pre-determined belief of those listening either way.
Correction.. keeping that DORITO on his shoulder.

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I can't believe he put Ryan Leaf in that. Shows bias, imo.
Nawrocki is an idiot, I can believe it. He's the new NFL.com pot stirrer. He is becoming Skip Bayless of that channel. Last year he said Geno would fail because of his personality, before that Cam cause he was caught up in the limelight. Dude is a joke, whatever cred he used to have he's throwing away to become an attention seeking tool.

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I dare you to find anyone out there that absolutely hates Bortles or Bridgewater; probably not going to happen because although many may discount their play, I doubt there is anyone out there that has the same strong feelings towards them as people that many do towards Manziel.
Go to the TB or Bortles threads. You will see them. You also see them here praising this dude every time he waves to a poor person or acknowledges a hooker.

Manziel fans are fanatics, this is the way it is. It's because their home base is College Station AKA Fanatic HQ. It's cool, I get it. Yall really love your own, but no one can sit here and honestly say A&M people aren't the craziest. It's not a terrible thing. If my squad U of H (whose been in Texas' shadow forever) every became the front running school of this state I would be a drunk school girl too about everyone coming out of that program.
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"I'm going to measure 6 feet -- I'm 72 inches on the dot," Manziel said. "If they want to try to jump on my shoulders and squish me down, it's not going to be any less than that."
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Why do I never read about THIS (swinging the loaf)............it will kill him in the NFL.

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Why do I never read about THIS (swinging the loaf)............it will kill him in the NFL.

Bad habit, been discussed by several posters in this thread, actually. I posted a similar pic noting the same issue. It's a problem and needs to be fixed.
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Why do I never read about THIS (swinging the loaf)............it will kill him in the NFL.

Yes, it is not good form. But he does have huge hands, reportedly size 15. I don't know how that translates into inches, but we'll find out Friday.
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Manziel is saying all the right things right now IMO. If I was more impressed with him as a QB, I'd be really excited. But I'm not, so it doesn't really change anything for me.
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If I'm Johnny I'd keep talking just to piss the people off who don't like me. I had a conversation with friends today about why they don't like him. They said "because of everything he's done". I asked "what has he done?". "Well I can really name anything specifically but he's just a jerk". Johnny's reputation is built mainly on what the media wants people to think. The worst thing he's done to me was show up at the UT party knowing he was getting into trouble. Not mad at him for the autograph signing, jet setting to basketball games, talking trash on the field, or anything else.

I don't know Mike Evans personally, but growing up in Galveston County I know a lot of people who know him and have coached him. He's never had one bad thing to say about Johnny from what they tell me. He says he's the best teammate he's ever played with. That says a lot to me and I think the Texans will get a lot of that info when they start digging through this process.,
Yes indeed. NFL teams get in line to draft a guy who can't shut up and likes to throw fuel on a fire where people that don't like him are concerned.

That's exactly the kind of thing that head coaches look for.

Want no part of Manziel on this team. I believe his career is going to be ugly and the team that reaches for him will be hunting a QB again in a couple of years. Who has time for that?
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Yes, it is not good form. But he does have huge hands, reportedly size 15. I don't know how that translates into inches, but we'll find out Friday.
Manziel wears size 15 SHOES. Some idiot in the comment section of PFT referred to his size 15 HANDS...........and it has become propagated elsewhere on the web. McClain supposedly quoted Manziel's preDraft quarterback trainer/coach with the same "size 15 hands." There is no such thing as a SIZE 15 glove or hand. Even a foot fitting a size 15 shoe measures only 11.73 inches from back of heel to tip of big toe. Hands are measured from the tip of the pinkie to the tip of the thumb with the fingers spread maximally....................and Manziel certainly does NOT have a 15 inch spread. Manziel has been said to compare with Russell Wilson's very large hands..........10 1/4 inch.

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Written by Thomas Jackson on 19 June 2010.

The Packers’ Brett Favre had his hand measured at 10 3/8 inches, from thumb tip to pinkie tip, during the National Football scouting combine in 1991. Favre’s grip on the ball is so enormous that the thumb and little finger of his outstretched right hand probably would cover almost exactly half the circumference of an NFL football.

Daunte Culpepper’s hand size was 9½ inches at the ’99 combine. Culpepper’s hand measurement of 9½ isn’t extremely low by NFL standards, but for someone his size (6-4, 264), it is. Not only the size but also the unusual shape of Culpepper’s hands was a concern not only for the Vikings but other NFL teams before the ’99 draft. Several sources confirmed that Culpepper has what is commonly referred to as a “web hand.” It’s a hereditary condition in which his fingers don’t separate easily because the skin between them is connected upward toward the knuckles more than normal.

Michael Vick, who stands barely 6-0, has merely an 8½-inch hand. However, Drew Brees, who stands just 6-0½, has a hand of 10¼.

In the ballyhooed quarterback class of 1999 that included Culpepper, Tim Couch’s hand was 9 7/8, Donovan McNabb’s hand was 10-0, Akili Smith’s was 9¾ and Cade McNown’s was 9 3/8.

A list of other quarterbacks and their hand sizes includes Brad Johnson (10 1/8), Patrick Ramsey (10-0), David Carr (9¾), Joey Harrington (9¾), Trent Dilfer (9 5/8), Jay Fiedler (9½), J.T. O’Sullivan (9½), Jake Plummer (9¼) and Chris Chandler (9¼).

One of the largest measures of any quarterback drafted in the first round was the 11¼ of Jim Druckenmiller. He was a bust, as was Heath Shuler (10 5/8 ). David Klingler (9¼) had a small hand and flopped.
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Manziel wears size 15 SHOES. Some idiot in the comment section of PFT referred to his size 15 HANDS...
Now this makes sense. Something over 10" will be good. Nice update and analysis of QB hand size.
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Manziel wears size 15 SHOES. Some idiot in the comment section of PFT referred to his size 15 HANDS...........and it has become propagated elsewhere on the web. McClain supposedly quoted Manziel's preDraft quarterback trainer/coach with the same "size 15 hands." There is no such thing as a SIZE 15 glove or hand. Even a foot fitting a size 15 shoe measures only 11.73 inches from back of heel to tip of big toe. Hands are measured from the tip of the pinkie to the tip of the thumb with the fingers spread maximally....................and Manziel certainly does NOT have a 15 inch spread. Manziel has been said to compare with Russell Wilson's very large hands..........10 1/4 inch.

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Is there a correlation between having big hands and feet compared to body size at his age and still growing?
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Peyton told them behind closed doors, not to the media. The fact this brat can't stay out of the headlines is enough to not want him.
But they loved Broadway Joe for the same rash statements. It's confidence to his fans and egocentric to his detractors.
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Yes. But not a perfect correlation.
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But they loved Broadway Joe for the same rash statements. It's confidence to his fans and egocentric to his detractors.
Different era. Now you have more media, attention, scrutiny and all that.
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