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Old 02-17-2014   #41
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What a joke grading system. I've heard several different people say this is one of the better and deeper drafts in recent years and this joker only gives 2 people in it a C. Everyone else D or failing.

This is like movie critics that say it's the best movie they've seen in a long time then give it a 6.5. AKA D-bags.
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I wonder what Tom Brady's grade was when he was taken #199 overall in the 6th round of the draft. So much of what a player becomes is between his ears and in his heart, and can't be measured or predicted.
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9.00-10 Once-in-lifetime player
8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro
7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro
7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber player
6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-caliber player
6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter
5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL starter
5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential
5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster
4.76-5.00 50/50 Chance to make NFL roster
4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp
Kind of a strange weighting at the top. 8.5 = half-perennial all pro...?
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I wonder what Tom Brady's grade was when he was taken #199 overall in the 6th round of the draft. So much of what a player becomes is between his ears and in his heart, and can't be measured or predicted.
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NFL.com grading scale...

Kind of a strange weighting at the top. 8.5 = half-perennial all pro...?
So Clowney the once in a decade player just barely nips into future all-pro?
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So Clowney the once in a decade player just barely nips into future all-pro?
Luke Joeckel got a 95.3 last year, so he's like 12 times better than Clowney and sure fire All Eon Team.
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Luke Joeckel got a 95.3 last year, so he's like 12 times better than Clowney and sure fire All Eon Team.
Geno got an 88.0 last year too. I guess this year's class is just the absolute bottom of the barrel.
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Without further ado, here are my post-combine rankings:

1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
Rise/fall: --

The freakishly talented pass rusher is an athletic marvel with the potential to wreak havoc on the NFL, as evidenced by his remarkable combine performance. Of course, concerns about Clowney's inconsistent motor and questionable judgment will prompt coaches and scouts to dig into his character, but the talent and potential far outweighs his immaturity at this point.

2. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
Rise/fall: --

The Tigers' punishing running game was fueled by the dominance of Robinson on the edge. The 6-foot-5, 332-pounder is an impressive athlete with a nasty disposition. Most importantly, he is technician with the body control and agility to neutralize elite rushers in pass protection.

3. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
Rise/fall: (+3)

4. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+2)

5. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Rise/fall: (-2)

Bridgewater bypassed an opportunity to put his wares on display at the combine, but the absence will have little impact on his draft stock. The Cardinals' standout is the most pro-ready quarterback in the 2014 class; he will have a chance to prove that on March 17 at Louisville's pro day.

6. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+1)

Manziel measured in slightly below the six-foot mark, but scouts in his corner won't blink at his diminutive physical dimension due to his remarkable talent. The Texas A&M star is a creative playmaker with an alpha-dog personality that allows him to perform well when the lights are the brightest. With teams growing more comfortable with his character, it's quite possible that he could make a run at the top spot on the draft board in Houston.

7. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
Rise/fall: (-3)

8. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Rise/fall: (+3)

9. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
Rise/fall: --

10. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
Rise/fall: (+5)

There is a growing faction of NFL scouts who feel Mack could be a top-5 pick when the process is completed. The Bulls' star is an explosive "plug and play" defender with a knack for creating disruption off the edge.

11. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Rise/fall: (+1)

12. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
Rise/fall: (-2)

13. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Rise/fall: (+12)

14. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (NR)

15. Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (-1)

It's hard to find another defender in the 2014 class capable of matching Shazier's disruptive impact. The 6-1, 237-pound junior notched 15 sacks and 45.5 tackles for loss in three seasons, while serving as a "Jack of all trades" for the Buckeyes. He is a sideline-to-sideline playmaker with the speed, quickness and burst defensive coaches covet at the second level. Size could be an issue based on his slender frame, but production and playmaking ability could outweigh those concerns on draft day.

16. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
Rise/fall: --

17. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama
Rise/fall: --

18. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
Rise/fall: (+4)

The momentum is building behind Bortles as a franchise quarterback due to prototypical physical dimensions, arm talent and athleticism. He has checks all of the boxes in those areas, but remains a work in progress as a playmaker in the pocket. Now, some coaches believe those traits can be developed on the practice field, making Bortles a candidate to go much higher than his film suggests at this time.

19. Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
Rise/fall: (+1)

20. Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Rise/fall: (+3)

21. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Rise/fall: (-2)

22. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
Rise/fall: (NR)

Scouts on the West Coast have been singing Cooks' praises since the middle of the fall, but now the buzz is in full effect after watching him blow up the combine. The Biletnikoff Award winner is one of the most explosive players in the draft, with a game that is ideally suited for an offense featuring "catch and run" plays.

23. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Rise/fall: (-2)

Scouts across the NFL will have to wage the production vs. potential debate when discussing Hageman. The 6-6, 310-pound defender is an athletic freak with the natural talent to blossom into a Pro Bowler. However, he is maddeningly inconsistent on tape and rarely produces the splash plays expected from a defender with his athletic gifts. Although he seemingly put it together at the Senior Bowl, the fact that he didn't consistently dominate makes it tough to rank him higher at this point.

24. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
Rise/fall: (NR)

25. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (NR)

On the bubble:

C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
Justin Verrett, CB, TCU
Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno Stat
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With that in mind, I believe it's still a good time to release my Big Board 2.0 based on the information gathered from talking to scouts and watching workouts over the weekend. As always, feel free to hit me up on Twitter (@BuckyBrooks) with questions and comments.

Without further ado, here are my post-combine rankings:

1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
Rise/fall: --

The freakishly talented pass rusher is an athletic marvel with the potential to wreak havoc on the NFL, as evidenced by his remarkable combine performance. Of course, concerns about Clowney's inconsistent motor and questionable judgment will prompt coaches and scouts to dig into his character, but the talent and potential far outweighs his immaturity at this point.

2. Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
Rise/fall: --

3. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
Rise/fall: (+3)

4. Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+2)

5. Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
Rise/fall: (-2)

Bridgewater bypassed an opportunity to put his wares on display at the combine, but the absence will have little impact on his draft stock. The Cardinals' standout is the most pro-ready quarterback in the 2014 class; he will have a chance to prove that on March 17 at Louisville's pro day.

6. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (+1)

Manziel measured in slightly below the six-foot mark, but scouts in his corner won't blink at his diminutive physical dimension due to his remarkable talent. The Texas A&M star is a creative playmaker with an alpha-dog personality that allows him to perform well when the lights are the brightest. With teams growing more comfortable with his character, it's quite possible that he could make a run at the top spot on the draft board in Houston.

7. Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
Rise/fall: (-3)

8. Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
Rise/fall: (+3)

9. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
Rise/fall: --

10. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
Rise/fall: (+5)

There is a growing faction of NFL scouts who feel Mack could be a top-5 pick when the process is completed. The Bulls' star is an explosive "plug and play" defender with a knack for creating disruption off the edge.

11. Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Rise/fall: (+1)

12. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
Rise/fall: (-2)

13. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
Rise/fall: (+12)

14. Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
Rise/fall: (NR)

15. Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (-1)

16. Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
Rise/fall: --

17. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama
Rise/fall: --

18. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida
Rise/fall: (+4)

19. Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
Rise/fall: (+1)

20. Marqise Lee, WR, USC
Rise/fall: (+3)

21. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Rise/fall: (-2)

22. Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
Rise/fall: (NR)

23. Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Rise/fall: (-2)

24. Odell Beckham, WR, LSU
Rise/fall: (NR)

25. Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
Rise/fall: (NR)

On the bubble:

C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
Justin Verrett, CB, TCU
Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
Morgan Moses, OT, Virginia
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio State
Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State

Dropped out of previous top-25 Big Board: C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama (8); Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame (13); Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame (18); Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (24).
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1	Clowney, JdeveonDE	South Carolina
2	Watkins, Sammy	WR	Clemson
3	Robinson, Greg	OT	Auburn
4	Mack, Khalil	OLB	Buffalo
5	Matthews, Jake	OT	Texas A&M
6	Barr, Anthony	OLB	UCLA
7	Evans, Mike	WR	Texas A&M	
8	Gilbert, Justin	CB	Oklahoma St.
9	Bridgewater,TeddyQB	Louisville
10	Manziel, Johnny	QB	Texas A&M	
11	Mosley, C.J.	ILB	Alabama
12	Lewan, Taylor	OT	Michigan
13	Ebron, Eric	TE	North Carolina
14	Donald, Aaron	DT	Pittsburgh
15	Jernigan, Timmy	DT	Florida St.
16	Pryor, Calvin	FS	Louisville
17	Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha	FS	Alabama
18	Bortles, Blake	QB	Central Florida
19	Beckham, Odell	WR	LSU
20	Dennard,DarquezeCB	Michigan St.
21	Lee, Marqise	WR	USC
22	Benjamin, KelvinWR	Florida St.
23	Hageman, RaShedeDT	Minnesota
24	Nix III, Louis	DT	Notre Dame
25	Martin, Zack	OT	Notre Dame
26	Cooks, Brandin	WR	Oregon St.
27	Hyde, Carlos	RB	Ohio St.
28	Moses, Morgan	OT	Virginia
29	Shazier, Ryan	OLB	Ohio St.
30	Roby, Bradley	CB	Ohio St.
31	Tuitt, Stephon	DE	Notre Dame
32	Landry, Jarvis	WR	LSU
33	Ealy, Kony	DE	Missouri
34	Carr, Derek	QB	Fresno St.
35	Amaro, Jace	TE	Texas Tech
36	Verrett, Jason	CB	TCU
37	Lawrence,DemarcusDE	Boise St.
38	Ford, Dee	DE	Auburn
39	Fuller, Kyle	CB	Virginia Tech	
40	SeferianJenkins,AustinTEWashington
41	Easley, DominiqueDT	Florida
42	Adams, Davante	WR	Fresno St
43	Kouandjio, CyrusOT	Alabama
44	Ward, Jimmie	SS	Northern Illinois
45	Su'aFilo, XavierOG	UCLA
46	Mason, Tre	RB	Auburn
47	Richardson, PaulWR	Colorado
48	Joyner, LamarcusCB	Auburn
49	Niklas, Troy	TE	Notre Dame
50	Breeland,BashaudCB	Clemson
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Bucky Brooks Scout's take: Putting NFL draft analytics to the test
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I've often wondered why analytics have been used prominently in the pre-draft evaluations in other major sports leagues, but haven't been fully incorporated into the scouting process in the NFL. The old-school mentality of scouts in pro football prompts decision makers to rely more on gut instincts and feel instead of statistical analysis when making player evaluations and comparisons.

That's why I initially resisted taking on a project that asked me to examine player comparisons based solely on the NFL Insight (a statistical database developed by NFL's IT department) examination of the empirical data gathered at the NFL Scouting Combine since 2003. While I certainly believe statistical analysis should play a role in evaluating players, I don't believe the numbers can accurately portray a prospect's talent or potential without factoring in key variables (scheme, opponent, weather conditions, etc.) that ultimately affect performance. Additionally, I believe the impact of pre-combine training has skewed the measurements in several drills, namely the 40-yard dash, pro-agility shuttle and three-cone drill. Thus, the combine numbers are no longer indicative of a prospect's pure speed or athleticism on the field.

Finally, I believe a prospect's DNA is actually revealed on game film. Astute evaluators are able to assess a player's talent, performance and overall potential by digging into the tape to see how well he has performed against elite competition. Although past performance is certainly not an accurate predictor of future results, it does provide a host of clues that allow scouts to make solid assessments on a player's long-term potential in the right environment.

With that as a backdrop, I would like to play a game of man vs. computer over the next week to test my evaluation skills against NFL Insight and the NFL Media research team. I will analyze their pro comparisons on a handful of prospects, and let you know where they were right or wrong on their assessments. Given the importance of the quarterback position, I believe it is only right that we start with two of the top quarterbacks in the 2014 class, Johnny Manziel and Blake Bortles, to see what past prospects they're connected to based on their combine test results...
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lol, this will be good.

The thing about man vs. machine is man will always have a built in excuse and he already named like 4 of them going into this.

But is he going to do any real comparisons between man vs. machine (analytics) or was that it right there? Just a 'nah, he doesn't really match up with those QBs with similar combine numbers'.
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lol, this will be good.

The thing about man vs. machine is man will always have a built in excuse and he already named like 4 of them going into this.

But is he going to do any real comparisons between man vs. machine (analytics) or was that it right there? Just a 'nah, he doesn't really match up with those QBs with similar combine numbers'.
I think analytics work well in baseball & basketball because the seasons are so long & include a shtload of games. By the time such trends are identified in football, the season is over.
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1 HOU
JADEVEON CLOWNEY DESOUTH CAROLINA

The buzz is building for Blake Bortles to land in this spot, but I'm holding to my belief that the Texans will take the best available talent and that's Clowney.

2 STL
GREG ROBINSON OTAUBURN

3 JAC
SAMMY WATKINS WRCLEMSON

4 CLE
JAKE MATTHEWS OTTEXAS A&M

5 OAK
BLAKE BORTLES QBCENTRAL FLORIDA

The Raiders quietly filled some holes in free agency, but they still need a long-term solution at the quarterback position.

6 ATL
KHALIL MACK OLBBUFFALO

7 TB
TAYLOR LEWAN OTMICHIGAN

8 MIN
JOHNNY MANZIEL QBTEXAS A&M

The Vikings have a strong running game that would complement Manziel's style of play.

9 BUF
MIKE EVANS WRTEXAS A&M

10 DET
JUSTIN GILBERT CBOKLAHOMA ST.

11 TEN
ANTHONY BARR OLBUCLA

12 NYG
ERIC EBRON TENORTH CAROLINA

13 STL
HA HA CLINTON-DIX FSALABAMA

14 CHI
TIMMY JERNIGAN NTFLORIDA ST.

15 PIT
ODELL BECKHAM WRLSU

16 DAL
AARON DONALD DTPITTSBURGH

17 BAL
CALVIN PRYOR FSLOUISVILLE

18 NYJ
BRANDIN COOKS WROREGON ST.

19 MIA
ZACK MARTIN OTNOTRE DAME

20 ARI
BRADLEY ROBY CBOHIO ST.

21 GB
C.J. MOSLEY ILBALABAMA

22 PHI
DARQUEZE DENNARD CBMICHIGAN ST.

23 KC
MARQISE LEE WRUSC

24 CIN
KYLE FULLER CBVIRGINIA TECH

25 SD
LOUIS NIX NTNOTRE DAME

26 CLE
TEDDY BRIDGEWATER QBLOUISVILLE

I still view Bridgewater as the top quarterback in this draft class, but he has failed to generate excitement among the personnel executives I've talked to. If he falls past the Titans at pick No. 11, I think it's realistic he could slide all the way down to this spot.

27 NO
DEE FORD DEAUBURN

28 CAR
KELVIN BENJAMIN WRFLORIDA ST.

29 NE
XAVIER SU'A-FILO OGUCLA

30 SF
JASON VERRETT CBTCU

31 DEN
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Talk about an overreaction to a workout...
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They're having wet dreams in Cleveland right now, lol
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1 Clowney, Jadeveon DE South Carolina
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn
4 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo
5 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M

6 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA
7 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M
8 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St.
9 Mosley, C.J. ILB Alabama
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11 Bridgewater, Teddy QB Louisville
12 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M
13 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina
14 Donald, Aaron DT Pittsburgh
15 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville

16 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama
17 Beckham, Odell WR LSU
18 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St.
19 Bortles, Blake QB Central Florida
20 Dennard, Darqueze CB Michigan St.

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I wonder if he'd make a financial wager than Manziel drops to #12? ...or that Bridgewater goes first? ...or that Carr drops to #35?

I'm also wondering what caused the Bortles to free-fall and Bridgewater to leap-frog in his mind?
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I wonder if he'd make a financial wager than Manziel drops to #12? ...or that Bridgewater goes first? ...or that Carr drops to #35?

I'm also wondering what caused the Bortles to free-fall and Bridgewater to leap-frog in his mind?
But isn't there a difference between the Mock Drafts and player ratings, this being the latter ?
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I wonder if he'd make a financial wager than Manziel drops to #12? ...or that Bridgewater goes first? ...or that Carr drops to #35?

I'm also wondering what caused the Bortles to free-fall and Bridgewater to leap-frog in his mind?
There is a reason Daniel Jeremiah was fired from 3 NFL scouting jobs in 6 years and is now a B-Team TV journalist.
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