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Old 02-17-2014   #2281
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Why do I never read about THIS (swinging the loaf)............it will kill him in the NFL.

Yes, it is not good form. But he does have huge hands, reportedly size 15. I don't know how that translates into inches, but we'll find out Friday.
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Manziel is saying all the right things right now IMO. If I was more impressed with him as a QB, I'd be really excited. But I'm not, so it doesn't really change anything for me.
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If I'm Johnny I'd keep talking just to piss the people off who don't like me. I had a conversation with friends today about why they don't like him. They said "because of everything he's done". I asked "what has he done?". "Well I can really name anything specifically but he's just a jerk". Johnny's reputation is built mainly on what the media wants people to think. The worst thing he's done to me was show up at the UT party knowing he was getting into trouble. Not mad at him for the autograph signing, jet setting to basketball games, talking trash on the field, or anything else.

I don't know Mike Evans personally, but growing up in Galveston County I know a lot of people who know him and have coached him. He's never had one bad thing to say about Johnny from what they tell me. He says he's the best teammate he's ever played with. That says a lot to me and I think the Texans will get a lot of that info when they start digging through this process.,
Yes indeed. NFL teams get in line to draft a guy who can't shut up and likes to throw fuel on a fire where people that don't like him are concerned.

That's exactly the kind of thing that head coaches look for.

Want no part of Manziel on this team. I believe his career is going to be ugly and the team that reaches for him will be hunting a QB again in a couple of years. Who has time for that?
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Yes, it is not good form. But he does have huge hands, reportedly size 15. I don't know how that translates into inches, but we'll find out Friday.
Manziel wears size 15 SHOES. Some idiot in the comment section of PFT referred to his size 15 HANDS...........and it has become propagated elsewhere on the web. McClain supposedly quoted Manziel's preDraft quarterback trainer/coach with the same "size 15 hands." There is no such thing as a SIZE 15 glove or hand. Even a foot fitting a size 15 shoe measures only 11.73 inches from back of heel to tip of big toe. Hands are measured from the tip of the pinkie to the tip of the thumb with the fingers spread maximally....................and Manziel certainly does NOT have a 15 inch spread. Manziel has been said to compare with Russell Wilson's very large hands..........10 1/4 inch.

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QB's Hands: does Size really matter...?


Written by Thomas Jackson on 19 June 2010.

The Packers’ Brett Favre had his hand measured at 10 3/8 inches, from thumb tip to pinkie tip, during the National Football scouting combine in 1991. Favre’s grip on the ball is so enormous that the thumb and little finger of his outstretched right hand probably would cover almost exactly half the circumference of an NFL football.

Daunte Culpepper’s hand size was 9½ inches at the ’99 combine. Culpepper’s hand measurement of 9½ isn’t extremely low by NFL standards, but for someone his size (6-4, 264), it is. Not only the size but also the unusual shape of Culpepper’s hands was a concern not only for the Vikings but other NFL teams before the ’99 draft. Several sources confirmed that Culpepper has what is commonly referred to as a “web hand.” It’s a hereditary condition in which his fingers don’t separate easily because the skin between them is connected upward toward the knuckles more than normal.

Michael Vick, who stands barely 6-0, has merely an 8½-inch hand. However, Drew Brees, who stands just 6-0½, has a hand of 10¼.

In the ballyhooed quarterback class of 1999 that included Culpepper, Tim Couch’s hand was 9 7/8, Donovan McNabb’s hand was 10-0, Akili Smith’s was 9¾ and Cade McNown’s was 9 3/8.

A list of other quarterbacks and their hand sizes includes Brad Johnson (10 1/8), Patrick Ramsey (10-0), David Carr (9¾), Joey Harrington (9¾), Trent Dilfer (9 5/8), Jay Fiedler (9½), J.T. O’Sullivan (9½), Jake Plummer (9¼) and Chris Chandler (9¼).

One of the largest measures of any quarterback drafted in the first round was the 11¼ of Jim Druckenmiller. He was a bust, as was Heath Shuler (10 5/8 ). David Klingler (9¼) had a small hand and flopped.
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Manziel wears size 15 SHOES. Some idiot in the comment section of PFT referred to his size 15 HANDS...
Now this makes sense. Something over 10" will be good. Nice update and analysis of QB hand size.
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Manziel wears size 15 SHOES. Some idiot in the comment section of PFT referred to his size 15 HANDS...........and it has become propagated elsewhere on the web. McClain supposedly quoted Manziel's preDraft quarterback trainer/coach with the same "size 15 hands." There is no such thing as a SIZE 15 glove or hand. Even a foot fitting a size 15 shoe measures only 11.73 inches from back of heel to tip of big toe. Hands are measured from the tip of the pinkie to the tip of the thumb with the fingers spread maximally....................and Manziel certainly does NOT have a 15 inch spread. Manziel has been said to compare with Russell Wilson's very large hands..........10 1/4 inch.

Found this interesting piece to put things into perspective.
Is there a correlation between having big hands and feet compared to body size at his age and still growing?
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Peyton told them behind closed doors, not to the media. The fact this brat can't stay out of the headlines is enough to not want him.
But they loved Broadway Joe for the same rash statements. It's confidence to his fans and egocentric to his detractors.
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Yes. But not a perfect correlation.
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But they loved Broadway Joe for the same rash statements. It's confidence to his fans and egocentric to his detractors.
Different era. Now you have more media, attention, scrutiny and all that.
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Different era. Now you have more media, attention, scrutiny and all that.
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Under most genetic conditions, foot size is relative to height. Which is to say that the body does its best to create a human frame that will be biomechanically stable. This means, again, under normal genetic influences without any external/internal factors that might alter foot or height, that a man who is tall will typically have larger feet than a man who is shorter.

The reason for this is that the feet are the very foundation (platform) that is utilized to anchor and stabilize the body in an axial plane when a person is in the erect (standing) posture. If the feet are not large enough to counter-balance and stabilize the gravitational influences through the axial plane, the person will have to exert tremendous unconscious muscular contraction to keep the body from falling over. This will overtax the muscular system and expend (and waste) too much energy.

This is why taller people typical have larger feet. It is Mother Nature's way of balancing out the taller frame to ensure that it (the frame of the body) has a large enough foundation (the feet) to allow a human to stand without having to continually contract muscles to keep the body from falling over.

A 2005 study showed a correlation of foot length to hand length: ~1 : 0.865

As far as when humans classically stop growing in height, it is usually after the completion of puberty.........for men ~18 years old (occasionally up to 21).

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Yes indeed. NFL teams get in line to draft a guy who can't shut up and likes to throw fuel on a fire where people that don't like him are concerned.

That's exactly the kind of thing that head coaches look for.

Want no part of Manziel on this team. I believe his career is going to be ugly and the team that reaches for him will be hunting a QB again in a couple of years. Who has time for that?
I need to quit speaking in sarcasm...... Apparently I don't do it good enough.
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Manziel is off my board, period.
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1. Who is Johnny Manziel?
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"I really believe this guy will be one of the best quarterbacks we've seen come out of college in the past four of five years," one AFC scout said. "He'll have a Russell Wilson type of impact. I also do trust him. I believe this transformation."

The NFL doesn't trust Johnny Manziel.

"Taking him with a high-round pick is extremely risky," said an NFC scout, "mainly because you have no idea what you're getting. Some scouts believe the guy we're seeing now is the real Manziel. I don't."

One team personnel executive said: "I think he can lead a team. I think he's more mature than some people want to give him credit. I don't have doubts about him as a person."

Another team executive: "There are a lot of questions about him as a person."

And there it is—the NFL's feelings about Manziel in a nutshell. Love and hate, trust and distrust.

It's likely these feelings, the divergence of them, extrapolate across the league. It might literally be half of football trusts Manziel and half does not.

The last time we saw the NFL this divided about a top prospect was Cam Newton, and many of the same things being said about Manziel now were being said about Newton. We see how Newton turned out. He's a star in this league—just made the postseason with an offensively limited team.

What the combine will be for Manziel, more than anything, is a sincerity test. His skeptics will be searching for realness. Is the hard-working and focused Manziel we've seen the past few months the real Manziel? Or is he the one that slept through the Manning passing camp or became entangled in an autograph-signing scandal?

NFL teams know college players are immature. They know they party. They chase women (gasp). They drink (gasp, gasp).

What teams want to know most—and Manziel will be asked this directly, you can count on it—is what does he want more? Does he want to be a football player or a partier?

They will want to know—who is the real Johnny?

2. Manziel Part II

I thought this analysis from a scout was among the most fair about Manziel that I've seen thus far: "Manziel…blahblahblah, blahblahblah. You will hear all kinds of bulls--- about him, but teams will rely on the film and what he did in games. That's it. No one will care if he parties. We draft dudes who beat their girlfriends. It's all about the play. Watch his play and he's just a guy you can't pass on."

3. Manziel Part III

League sources increasingly believe the Houston Texans will take Manziel with the first pick. The organization has said very little publicly, but privately, the belief is that Houston has been quietly falling in lust with him.
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