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Old 11-24-2013   #281
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As has often been case with this story, many premature conclusions. Do not assume - by any means - that Incognito's career in Miami is done.
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Here are Over 1,000 Text Messages That Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin Allegedly Exchanged
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Through a league source, The Big Lead has obtained the full transcript of over 1,000 text messages Incognito and Martin swapped between October 2012 and November 2013. The messages are what you’d expect from wealthy, young athletes: Incessant talk about partying, drinking, and chasing women. And there is plenty of bawdy back-and-forth banter that at times reads like a fraternity brother hazing a pledge. If Incognito was indeed tasked with ‘toughening up’ Martin – a question Dolphins coach Joe Philbin refused to answer in early November – did he cross a line? The text exchanges should offer some insight into the relationship between Incognito and Martin.

WARNING: Many of these text messages contain X-rated descriptions and explicit language. We redacted email addresses and home addresses, as well as photos and videos that showed the faces of others.
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The text messages between Martin and Incognito have been released (NSFW):

http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/03/her....iaP4gxzO.uxfs

Nothing in it suggests that Incognito was bullying Martin. It's a bit vulgar, but it appears they were friends.
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If that is the most damning evidence, I feel really bad that Incognito's name has been dragged through the mud. He is a stereotypical meathead, but he sure as heck isn't a bully from that information.

I had exchanges with guys at college that could be clasified as bullying far easier than any of those texts.
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I read every single text and there better be more to the story.
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I read every single text and there better be more to the story.
That is what I'm thinking - however then I ask myself if Martin looked like someone who was being bullied or threatened during the text exchange, and even after the news broke he still appeared to be buddies with Incognito.

If Incognito was acting in a different manner in person, I would expect to see at least a tempering in Martin's responses.

From Martin's last responses, blaming it on the agent, I'm starting to wonder if he's been led down a path that he knew to be a gross exagerattion of the situation.
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To me this looks like Incognito had no reason to believe Martin would feel harassed, and Martin never asked him to knock it off.

And now I understand why the NFL was so quick to throw Incognito under the bus. I think this litany of texts is probably fairly common among players in the NFL and I don't think the NFL wants its players to have this kind of image -- using lots of racist and misogynist remarks in their exchanges. So it was easier to just paint Incognito as a virulent racist and bully -- as a rogue, the rare exception rather than the rule -- and hope the matter would go away, and wouldn't be seen as representative of a lot of NFL players.
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If that is the most damning evidence, I feel really bad that Incognito's name has been dragged through the mud. He is a stereotypical meathead, but he sure as heck isn't a bully from that information.

I had exchanges with guys at college that could be clasified as bullying far easier than any of those texts.
Half of the NFL might be stereotypical meatheads.
But so much of the media that's pushing this is to a large extent composed of semi-intellectuals who've never played football, certainly not played NFL ball, and have no idea what the real NFL culture is about. I mean their ignorance of the daily-life in the league for a player is utterly dazzling.
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I got the feeling Martin joined a group of guys that he wasn't like. It was always about getting drunk, getting high, getting laid, strip clubs, etc. He was hanging with Aaron Hernandez's buddies and hard-scrabble guys like Incognito compared to going to the library and movies with Andrew Luck. I don't think he could hang... and didn't have a strong enough personality to chart his own course.

But there has to more about the team culture to this, imo. And the combination finally triggered something deeper in him that prompted his checking himself into a psych hospital.
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Richie going scorched earth -- don't think it'll serve him well.

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I have no further comment at this time. Please contact my attorney Mark Schamel @WCSRtweet 202-857-4481

FACT: Jonathan Martin told me he thought about taking his own life in MAY 2013 b/c he wasn't playing well. Told me he felt worthless.

I apologize to all of the women out there that I offended with my text messages to my close personal friend.

I'm guilty of being a loyal friend and good teammate. I apologize for my poor language and rude remarks. I've never denied it.

Kenny Zuckerman from Priority Sports.... What do you have to say for your actions? Why did you release the VM. What was your goal ?

Jon Martin---you started all of this when Kenny Zuckerman released the VM to ESPN. The same VM we joked about with @brianhartline

Dear Jon Martin..... The truth is going to bury you and your entire "camp". You could have told the truth the entire time.

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He's getting a little too brash here, but I think his patience is wearing a little thin. I still think he'd be better served by taking the high road like he's done in this whole situation. As crazy as it sounds I wouldn't mind the guy filling in at Left Guard for us this year. If Antonio is gone I don't see how it would be a problem.
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He's getting a little too brash here, but I think his patience is wearing a little thin. I still think he'd be better served by taking the high road like he's done in this whole situation. As crazy as it sounds I wouldn't mind the guy filling in at Left Guard for us this year. If Antonio is gone I don't see how it would be a problem.
As much as he has been painted as a bad guy, after reading those texts, I feel as though I would probably be talking a lot of stuff by this point as well if I were wearing his shoes.

Still wouldn't want him on the Texans he's been a problem at every NFL team he's been on.
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As crazy as it sounds I wouldn't mind the guy filling in at Left Guard for us this year. If Antonio is gone I don't see how it would be a problem.
The Texans aren't going to invite that kind of controversy. You should know that by now.
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He's getting a little too brash here, but I think his patience is wearing a little thin. I still think he'd be better served by taking the high road like he's done in this whole situation. As crazy as it sounds I wouldn't mind the guy filling in at Left Guard for us this year. If Antonio is gone I don't see how it would be a problem.
You don't see how having an unstable dumb animal that manages to get himself kicked off several teams would be a problem? Incognito is the epitomy of a meathead and dirty cheap shot artist. He uses those tactics to compensate for the mediocre abilities on the OL. No thanks Id rather the team try to find a better alternative than this bumb.
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You don't see how having an unstable dumb animal that manages to get himself kicked off several teams would be a problem? Incognito is the epitomy of a meathead and dirty cheap shot artist. He uses those tactics to compensate for the mediocre abilities on the OL. No thanks Id rather the team try to find a better alternative than this bumb.
I'm looking at the alternative....... I don't like Incognito as a person just as much as anyone else. But from my understanding he has been graded as an above average Guard in the league for a few years now. Is he dirty? Yes. Cheap shot artist? Has been known to be at least to our team. Is he better than what we have on the team right now and probably what we can afford? Probably.

Listen, when I said that I know that its not going to happen. I also wouldn't mind having Calvin Johnson play for us.
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You don't see how having an unstable dumb animal that manages to get himself kicked off several teams would be a problem? Incognito is the epitomy of a meathead and dirty cheap shot artist. He uses those tactics to compensate for the mediocre abilities on the OL. No thanks Id rather the team try to find a better alternative than this bumb.
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I'm looking at the alternative....... I don't like Incognito as a person just as much as anyone else. But from my understanding he has been graded as an above average Guard in the league for a few years now. Is he dirty? Yes. Cheap shot artist? Has been known to be at least to our team. Is he better than what we have on the team right now and probably what we can afford? Probably.

Listen, when I said that I know that its not going to happen. I also wouldn't mind having Calvin Johnson play for us.
An alternative to bringing Incognito or any other LG to start is to use our own LG, Quessenberry, who will be starting this year at LG.
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An alternative to bringing Incognito or any other LG to start is to use our own LG, Quessenberry, who will be starting this year at LG.
I like Ques and think he has "potential", but by no means am I convinced that he will be a viable option there after only seeing him for a limited amount of time. Anyone that is convinced of him right now feels that way only based on hope.
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