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Old 02-10-2014   #101
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Throwing the ball away may have been the best decision. They might have seen a good throw that his receiver dropped. So his stat line may not mean... well, I think it means next to nothing.

To me, the Preseason is about seeing how well players have taken to the system. 20% completion 8 INTs & no TDs would hold less importance to me, than why he turned in those numbers.

Is he comfortable, is in control of the huddle, the offense. Is he making the right reads, the right throws, the right non-throws. Was it a bad play, how did he handle it? Is he seeing what he needs to see & how is he handling what he sees.... even if the answers are not what I want, then it's, what is it going to take to fix it.

Did we try to fix that last week?

Is there anything we need to be doing less of, anything we need to be doing more of... bottom line, can I win with this guy?
The only thing I was trying to point out with his stat line was that he had negative plays. They could have all been drops or throw aways, I don't know. However, without them, you can't objectively assess his QB play.
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However, without them, you can't objectively assess his QB play.
Hahahahahaha you said objectively.

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Hahahahahaha you said objectively.

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haha I've been a member since 2007. Slow learner I guess.
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haha I've been a member since 2007. Slow learner I guess.
I admire your optimism.

Perhaps you should just be like this....

I think it is the boards MO
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The only thing I was trying to point out with his stat line was that he had negative plays. They could have all been drops or throw aways, I don't know. However, without them, you can't objectively assess his QB play.
I was not disagreeing with anything you said. My comments were in addition to yours.
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Hoyer just became a reasonable possibility after his #1 supporter with the Browns was fired -- Mike Lombardi.

And I guess you could say this opens up Patriots a bit to trade Mallett with the option of acquiring Hoyer again to backup Brady... ?

All assuming the Browns draft or acquire another starting QB.
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Heck, why don't we throw Brock Osweiler in the group too. We've seen about as much as him play as Mallet.

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Hoyer just became a reasonable possibility after his #1 supporter with the Browns was fired -- Mike Lombardi.

And I guess you could say this opens up Patriots a bit to trade Mallett with the option of acquiring Hoyer again to backup Brady... ?

All assuming the Browns draft or acquire another starting QB.
I was thinking if they traded Mallett that they'd bring Cassell back, guess they could do either
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I was thinking if they traded Mallett that they'd bring Cassell back, guess they could do either
Why? Neither are the future of New England, I think they've made that pretty clear.

They'll draft a guy, see if they like him. If they do, they'll keep him. If they don't, they'll move on.
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Why? Neither are the future of New England, I think they've made that pretty clear.

They'll draft a guy, see if they like him. If they do, they'll keep him. If they don't, they'll move on.
They haven't expressed a judgment on either one. You can't keep potential starting quality QBs around forever as backups without paying them an egregious amount which can't be justified with a cap so you get value for them and get another cheap backup.
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Hoyer just became a reasonable possibility after his #1 supporter with the Browns was fired -- Mike Lombardi.

And I guess you could say this opens up Patriots a bit to trade Mallett with the option of acquiring Hoyer again to backup Brady... ?

All assuming the Browns draft or acquire another starting QB.
Maybe... but I doubt the Texans would be interested in Hoyer. The Browns have 3 QBs under contract next year, Weeden, who is paid for in guarantees, Jason Campbell, who can be cut outright for 3.25m in savings, and Hoyer who is a cheap contract at 1.25m in 2014.

I think Campbell will be cut, they will draft a QB, and that QB will "compete" with Weeden and Hoyer in camp.

The Browns do have about 40-50m in cap space this offseason, so they could make some other moves in free agency to fill needs, and spend picks on trading up to #2 to get Johnny Football. Who knows, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they trade up for Derek Carr....
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There's a little movement around Mallett, but nothing worth noting yet that I see...


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According to NFL insider Gil Brandt, the Texans are reportedly trying to pull off a trade with the Patriots, as they look to send their second round pick for upcoming 2014 NFL Entry Draft to the Pats for the 6"6' pocket passer Mallett.

"O'Brien likes big QBs. I could see #Texans trying to trade w #Patriots for Mallett, going diff direction in draft," NFL Insider Gil Brandt posted on his Twitter account.
http://www.latinopost.com/articles/3...ots-roster.htm

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I prefer drafting bridgewater, but I won't be upset with mallet. It would certainly open up the options in the draft from my perspective.

Maybe trade for mallet and then take clowney. If u can get a franchise qb and a guy as talented as clowney I think you have to consider that.
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I would not give our 2-1 for Mallett/Hoyer, and would have to think hard about our 3-1. Those are valuable picks in this deep draft.
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I would not give our 2-1 for Mallett/Hoyer, and would have to think hard about our 3-1. Those are valuable picks in this deep draft.
If the coaches believe he's a franchise qb a second round pick is nothing to them.
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I would not give our 2-1 for Mallett/Hoyer, and would have to think hard about our 3-1. Those are valuable picks in this deep draft.
Yeah they are valuable picks whose purpose is? - to acquire players. If you acquire a player with 1 then I fail to see the objection other than you believe the QBs who will be available at 2.1 are clearly superior. The fundamental reality for the Texans is by draft or trade a QB MUST be acquired with one of the 1st two picks. This FA class is a non-starter as an alternative.
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On second thought...i wouldn't even take clowney...I move down a little and take Kyle van noy. He'd quickly expose merciless and brooks reed as frauds.
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They haven't expressed a judgment on either one. You can't keep potential starting quality QBs around forever as backups without paying them an egregious amount which can't be justified with a cap so you get value for them and get another cheap backup.
In the post I was replying to, the poster mentioned that instead of going after Hoyer, he figured the Patriots would be more interested in bringing Cassel back.

I'm thinking like you... instead of paying either guy to stick around, they'll draft a cheap back up. That guy may or may not be the future starting QB for the Patriots. But Hoyer & Cassel definitely are not.

They may not have said as much (is that what you mean by not passing judgement), but they've clearly moved on.
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