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Old 02-05-2014   #81
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The first time was understandable but you just defended it... You know that 1st and 10 from the 20... 2nd and 25 from the 5... riiiiiight?

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Uh... of course I knew that...




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Trindon Holliday can cost you games with stupid decisions. Taking the ball out on that first possession instead of kneeling it was the difference between a safety and a 2nd and 25.
Your assuming the ball was recovered by somebody at the 5 and not kicked back further as can happen when trying to cover a fumble. BTW, the ball was recovered 8 yards deep in the end zone so it still would have been a safety even if they started at the 20.

Carroll stated that Harvin was told to go even if he was just inches from the backline. Maybe Holliday was told to go too. I mean, that's what he is there for. The ONLY reason he's there. He's a weapon for the Broncos in that area, seeing how he has 4 TD returns in 2 years. If you're not going to use him, then why have him taking a roster spot for just that specific duty?


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Once every 10 years an unbelievable defense wins a championship. The other 9 go to great QBs
Seattle, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, all great defenses (OK, not all unbelievable but still pretty great those seasons) and I don't think I'd consider Flacco and Eli great QBs. And that's just the last 7 champions.
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Well, being that 2nd & 25 from the 20 means you're snapping the ball 5 yards deep in the endzone...

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The first time was understandable but you just defended it... You know that 1st and 10 from the 20... 2nd and 25 from the 5... riiiiiight?

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Well, being that 2nd & 25 from the 20 means you're snapping the ball 5 yards deep in the endzone...

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2nd and 25 means they have the ball at their 5 yardline....

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Except that the FUBAR'ed snap took place on first down... the very first play from scrimmage...
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1st and 10 at DEN 14(Shotgun) - P.Manning Aborted. M.Ramirez FUMBLES at DEN 14, recovered by DEN-K.Moreno at DEN -8. K.Moreno tackled in End Zone, SAFETY (C.Avril). Penalty on DEN-P.Manning, Illegal Motion, declined.20
the fumble recovery was made a total of 22 yds behind the line of scrimmage (14 yds + the 8 yds deep in the end zone)... My math says the ball would have still been recovered 2 yds deep in the end zone. Still a safety.
Soooo how do you get to 2nd and 25 after taking the ball on the 20 unless you change the whole sequence of events??
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Except that the FUBAR'ed snap took place on first down... the very first play from scrimmage...
the fumble recovery was made a total of 22 yds behind the line of scrimmage (14 yds + the 8 yds deep in the end zone)... My math says the ball would have still been recovered 2 yds deep in the end zone. Still a safety.
Soooo how do you get to 2nd and 25 after taking the ball on the 20 unless you change the whole sequence of events??
I went back and looked at the tape again and again and he likely would have been near the goal line and he was right in the middle of the endzone when he had his first opportunity to handle the ball. 8 yards back was after sliding and covering the ball to prevent giving up a touchdaown. There was no possiblity of getting out of the endzone 8 yards deep. Instead of falling on the ball, if he has his head on the goal line you have to believe he is going to at least try to get out of the endzone. 2nd and 19.99999 is better than a safety.

But using your math, 2nd and 25 would be 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

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What I took away from Seattle winning the SB?

Seattle has done a masterful job of something the Texans can't seem to get for the life of them between Capers and Kubiak, identifying and developing talent.

I think this next year or two will be telling for Rick Smith, was Kubiak scape goated for him? Did Gary really have that much draft input?

One thing I will credit immediately to O'Brien is that it didn't take him four years to finally get in his head he should hire a legit defensive coordinator and also firing the S&T coach and bringing in a pretty well regarded one.
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What I took away from Seattle winning the SB?

Seattle has done a masterful job of something the Texans can't seem to get for the life of them between Capers and Kubiak, identifying and developing talent.

I think this next year or two will be telling for Rick Smith, was Kubiak scape goated for him? Did Gary really have that much draft input?
I honestly thought the Texans, 9ers, & Seahawks were very similar. Still think we'd be very comparable with a 2009 Matt Schaub.

If only Kubiak could have put together an offense for Keenum.

The team we all thought could win the Super Bowl in 2011, the team that should have won in 2012..... very comparable.
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* Seattle's D dominated the Broncos O. It seems the Texans are weaker on D than O generally speaking. Is defense more important than offense in being a great team, if so may be a waste to use 1st pick on QB. Now did the Seattle D dominate because Peyton is a statue and is not able to extend play kind of like MS?

*I think you need "some" mobility in a QB. Someone who can create, extend the play, and then make the throw. The Qb may only extend and make 2-3 plays a game but those plays could easily be the difference between a W or L.
Of course the QB must play smart and protect the ball. See Russell Wilson.

*As an organization/GM understand that you really don't know what you have in a player until you have them on your team. (Or at least you hope your coaching staff can evaluate the player without prejudice.) Your job is to get the best players on the team that gives you a chance to win. Don't be afraid to have player turnover. Don't let your ego on insecurity determine who plays or is even on the team. Open your eyes and evaluate your players honestly. Keep your personal relationship with them out of the evaluation. Football is not all physical skills, a players heart may be more important. The Seahawks turned over players more than any other team in the NFL. Don't know where Texans ranked. High draft choices don't guarantee success.

*The above may lead to the idea that if your are able to get multiple picks for the first draft pick you may want to get more picks because you really don't know what you may get especially in a QB and maybe a good D trumps (more important) a good QB.

*Experience is way over rated. You don't need a wise old broken down veteran to pass on his knowledge. I think good coaching should do this. If you feel you need to bring someone in like this you need new coaches. Experience is important but you still must have the physical ability to make the plays.

Concerns I have based on above
*Brown seems to lean towards statue type QB. I really don't know this but just my concern.
*I think the Texans over rate their defense. How did the Texans perform against Peyton vs how the Seahawks performed.
*Don't have confidence in GM.
*Brown is a huge unknown. Inherited a 9-4 team and led them to 8-4 and 7-5. I know all about the situation.
As stated above I would have traded No1.1
I don't like Mallet the statue
All the above seems to be coming true.
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"I would have traded #1 " is a pretty worthless statement without a trade offer and they went D instead of QB.

You got a more mobile QB and he needs to be benched. And he's the perfect example that more mobile doesn't mean better.

Who the heck is Brown?
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