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Old 01-27-2014   #61
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Bishop Sankey Washington moved to number two? Why? I love his burst. He is number one IMO. What's up with the boston college RB? You don't like him?
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Bishop Sankey Washington moved to number two? Why? I love his burst. He is number one IMO. What's up with the boston college RB? You don't like him?
Won't speak for bah, but I'm not a fan of Andre Williams either. Haven't understood the hype on him at all.

Can't catch, can't block, can't really move in space, and is not fast. He's a smashmouth, downhill runner. Those old school runners are mostly gone from the league these days. It's all about skill sets now and he doesn't really have one that is utilized by a lot of teams.
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Bishop Sankey Washington moved to number two? Why? I love his burst. He is number one IMO. What's up with the boston college RB? You don't like him?
Nothing against Sankey. I'm higher on him than the consensus seems to be. Just think that Mason is better. Wouldn't shock me at all if Mason is the only RB drafted in the first round.

I think WolverineFan is in my head because what he said is pretty much spot on how I feel about Andre Williams. At best he's Daniel Thomas in the NFL. Great college player though.
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Won't speak for bah, but I'm not a fan of Andre Williams either. Haven't understood the hype on him at all.

Can't catch, can't block, can't really move in space, and is not fast. He's a smashmouth, downhill runner. Those old school runners are mostly gone from the league these days. It's all about skill sets now and he doesn't really have one that is utilized by a lot of teams.
if anything he actually plays like a smaller back. doesn't use his size like hyde or hill does. better running stretch plays than up the middle.
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Just think that Mason is better. Wouldn't shock me at all if Mason is the only RB drafted in the first round.
Mason reminds me of Marshawn Lynch.
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if anything he actually plays like a smaller back. doesn't use his size like hyde or hill does. better running stretch plays than up the middle.
Um, what?

Andre Williams trucked and stiff armed his way to the rushing title. Nothing about Williams says he runs like a smaller back. He ran with more power than anyone I saw this year. People are going to be surprised with his speed too, he is much faster than people are giving him credit for.
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Um, what?

Andre Williams trucked and stiff armed his way to the rushing title. Nothing about Williams says he runs like a smaller back. He ran with more power than anyone I saw this year. People are going to be surprised with his speed too, he is much faster than people are giving him credit for.

This. I'm not high on him for us (texans) but I could see him fitting in really well for a team like the 49 ers.

I really like mason too but Sankey is still number one on my board.
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Um, what?

Andre Williams trucked and stiff armed his way to the rushing title. Nothing about Williams says he runs like a smaller back. He ran with more power than anyone I saw this year. People are going to be surprised with his speed too, he is much faster than people are giving him credit for.
this is what i meant by smaller back. i really like williams. but he isn't going to get those short 3rd and 1/2 type of yards up the middle. his not in the same mold as hyde and hill. I watched him a lot. his a different style of back compared to those other two even though there sizes are similar.

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QB
1. Teddy Bridgewater – Louisville
2. Blake Bortles – UCF
3. Johnny Manziel – Texas A&M
4. Derek Carr – Fresno St
5. Zach Mettenberger – LSU
6. Brett Smith – Wyoming
7. Jimmy Garoppolo – Eastern Illinois
8. Connor Shaw – South Carolina
9. A.J. McCarron – Alabama
10. David Fales – San Jose St

HB
1. Tre Mason – Auburn
2. Bishop Sankey – Washington
3. Ka’Deem Carey – Arizona
4. Carlos Hyde – Ohio St
5. Lache Seastrunk – Baylor
6. Charles Sims – West Virginia
7. Antonio Andrews – Western Kentucky
8. Jeremy Hill – LSU
9. De’Anthony Thomas – Oregon
10. Kapri Bibbs – Colorado St

FB
1. Trey Millard – Oklahoma
2. Jay Prosch – Auburn
3. J.C. Copeland – LSU
4. Chris Coyle – Arizona St
5. Ryan Hewitt – Stanford

WR
1. Sammy Watkins – Clemson
2. Marqise Lee – USC
3. Odell Beckham Jr. – LSU
4. Jordan Matthews – Vanderbilt
5. Mike Evans – Texas A&M
6. Kelvin Benjamin – Florida St
7. Allen Robinson – Penn St
8. Davante Adams – Fresno St
9. Jarvis Landry – LSU
10. Brandin Cooks – Oregon St

TE
1. Eric Ebron – North Carolina
2. Austin Seferian-Jenkins – Washington
3. Jace Amaro – Texas Tech
4. Troy Niklas – Notre Dame
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz – Iowa
6. Arthur Lynch – Georgia
7. Xavier Grimble – USC
8. Marcel Jensen – Fresno St
9. Joe Don Duncan – Dixie St
10. Jake Murphy – Utah

OT
1. Greg Robinson – Auburn
2. Cyrus Kouandjio – Alabama
3. Antonio Richardson – Tennessee
4. Taylor Lewan – Michigan
5. JuWaun James – Tennessee
6. Morgan Moses – Virginia
7. Cameron Fleming – Stanford
8. James Hurst – North Carolina
9. Seantrel Henderson – Miami
10. Jack Mewhort – Ohio St

OG
1. Jake Matthews – Texas A&M
2. Zack Martin – Notre Dame
3. Gabe Jackson – Mississippi St
4. Xavier Su’a-Filo – UCLA
5. Cyril Richardson – Baylor
6. David Yankey – Stanford
7. Anthony Steen – Alabama
8. Brandon Thomas – Clemson
9. Trai Turner – LSU
10. Chris Watt – Notre Dame

C
1. Weston Richburg – Colorado St
2. Travis Swanson – Arkansas
3. Marcus Martin – USC
4. Bryan Stork – Florida St
5. Tyler Larsen – Utah St


DE
1. Jadeveon Clowney – South Carolina
2. Stephon Tuitt – Notre Dame
3. Kony Ealy – Missouri
4. Trent Murphy – Stanford
5. Jackson Jeffcoat – Texas
6. Trevor Reilly – Utah
7. Scott Crichton – Oregon St
8. Chris Smith – Arkansas
9. Kareem Martin – North Carolina
10. Michael Sam – Missouri

DT
1. Timmy Jernigan – Florida St
2. Louis Nix – Notre Dame
3. Aaron Donald – Pittsburgh
4. Dominique Easley – Florida
5. Ra’Shede Hageman – Minnesota
6. Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina
7. Will Sutton – Arizona St
8. DaQuan Jones – Penn St
9. Ego Ferguson – LSU
10. George Uko – USC

OLB
1. Khalil Mack – Buffalo
2. Anthony Barr – UCLA
3. Ryan Shazier – Ohio St
4. Kyle Van Noy – BYU
5. Dee Ford – Auburn
6. Carl Bradford – Arizona St
7. Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech
8. Demarcus Lawrence – Boise St
9. Telvin Smith – Florida St
10. Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA

ILB
1. C.J. Moseley – Alabama
2. Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut
3. Shayne Skov – Stanford
4. Chris Borland – Wisconsin
5. Christian Jones – Florida St
6. Lamin Barrow – LSU
7. Andrew Jackson – Western Kentucky
8. Greg Blair – Cincinnati
9. Max Bullough – Michigan St
10. Shaquil Barrett – Colorado St

CB
1. Justin Gilbert – Oklahoma St
2. Darqueze Dennard – Michigan St
3. Lamarcus Joyner – Florida St
4. Jason Verrett – TCU
5. Marcus Roberson – Florida
6. Kyle Fuller – Virginia Tech
7. Bradley Roby – Ohio St
8. Pierre Desir – Lindenwood
9. Loucheiz Purifoy – Florida
10. E.J. Gaines – Missouri

FS
1. HaHa Clinton-Dix – Alabama
2. Calvin Pryor – Louisville
3. Jimmie Ward – Northern Illinois
4. Terrence Brooks – Florida St
5. Stanley Jean-Baptiste – Nebraska
6. Marqueston Huff – Wyoming
7. Tre Boston – North Carolina
8. Isaiah Lewis – Michigan St
9. Jonathan Dowling – Western Kentucky
10. Alden Darby – Arizona St

SS
1. Deone Bucannon – Washington St
2. Craig Loston – LSU
3. Ahmad Dixon – Baylor
4. Ed Reynolds – Stanford
5. Hakeem Smith – Louisville
6. Dion Bailey – USC
7. Kenny Ladler – Vanderbilt
8. Nickoe Whitley – Mississippi St
9. Daytawion Lowe – Oklahoma St
10. Jacques Washington – Iowa St

K
1. Anthony Fera – Texas
2. Jeff Budzien – Northwestern
3. Cairo Santos – Tulane

P
1. Steven Clark – Auburn
2. Kirby Van Der Kamp – Iowa St
3. Pat O’Donnell – Miami
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I would say that this is a deep draft and the deepest positions are OT , OG , DT , DE , TE .
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If Hyde can drop about 10-15 pounds and improve his top end speed just a little (4.50) 40 I think that guy can be special.

I love the way he bounces off tackles, but I think in the NFL they are a little more apt to not you let slide past the first defender every time, so he needs a little more top end speed.

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If Hyde can drop about 10-15 pounds and improve his top end speed just a little (4.50) 40 I think that guy can be special.

I love the way he bounces off tackles, but I think in the NFL they are a little more apt to not you let slide past the first defender every time, so he needs a little more top end speed.

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Agree for the most part. The guys I have in front of him may not be faster over 40 yards but they get to top speed very quickly. The 10 yard split and 3 cone shuttle are much more important to me for a RB. Quickness and acceleration are key.
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I would say that this is a deep draft and the deepest positions are OT , OG , DT , DE , TE .
OT has a lot of talent in the first four rounds but I feel like that's about it.

WR, TE, OG, DE, and DT are all extremely deep. A lot of underclassmen in this draft pushes some solid talent down in each round. It's a great year to have the #1 pick in rounds 2-7.
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OT has a lot of talent in the first four rounds but I feel like that's about it.

WR, TE, OG, DE, and DT are all extremely deep. A lot of underclassmen in this draft pushes some solid talent down in each round. It's a great year to have the #1 pick in rounds 2-7.
I really don't think that DE is that deep. What true 3 down pass rushers are there besides Clowney. I see Tuitt 5 tech or DT in a 3-4. I'm not sold on Ealy. The team I'm mock drafting for (Bears) they need a DE. But I expect them to sign Micheal Bennett in FA and pick a DE later rd 3-5 in the draft.
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I really don't think that DE is that deep. What true 3 down pass rushers are there besides Clowney. I see Tuitt 5 tech or DT in a 3-4. I'm not sold on Ealy. The team I'm mock drafting for (Bears) they need a DE. But I expect them to sign Micheal Bennett in FA and pick a DE later rd 3-5 in the draft.
It's deep in the sense that you can find depth players littered throughout the later rounds of the draft.

As far as the top level pass rushers go (rounds 1-3), this draft has too many 34 OLBs and not enough 43 DEs.
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It's deep in the sense that you can find depth players littered throughout the later rounds of the draft.

As far as the top level pass rushers go (rounds 1-3), this draft has too many 34 OLBs and not enough 43 DEs.
I think these two guys can play .

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this is what i meant by smaller back. i really like williams. but he isn't going to get those short 3rd and 1/2 type of yards up the middle. his not in the same mold as hyde and hill. I watched him a lot. his a different style of back compared to those other two even though there sizes are similar.

http://secondroundstats.com/?p=558
the above link examples pretty well what i mean.
Interesting statistics, good find. He passes the eye test as a powerful runner and do think he will post an impressive 40 time for his size. I'm clearly higher on him than many here.
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Interesting statistics, good find. He passes the eye test as a powerful runner and do think he will post an impressive 40 time for his size. I'm clearly higher on him than many here.
he should post one of the better times for 'backs in his 'weight category' i would expect.
Im quite high on him as well. i listed him in prospects i would bang the table for. only thing is I'm questioning whether going RB at all in this years draft is going to happen or not. We might just pick up a guy in FA. but if we are looking for a running back in the middle round lets say 3-5 there are none better i think.
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Some of those stats about Carr make me concerned, especially the short pass accuracy issues.
Accuracy and his performance against pressure ....
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Well Michael Sam just dropped off Bah's top 10!
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