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Old 01-31-2014   #101
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Everyone seems concentrated on what type of QB OB is going to want. My concern at this point in time is what he intends to do about the OL scheme and personnel. Seems like all the top teams/QBs are playing with strong OL. It does no good to have a QB that spends most of his time watching from the sidelines. My concern is that our OL be the protective equivalent of a condom that is unlikely to ever break. OB's curious and weak choice of Dunn as the OL "supervisor" now worries me that we will have someone potentially saboutaging our best condoms money can buy, by poking them with pins.
I'm with you on this big time. Build the trenches up. Even if that means you're only competitive. Everyone will be aware of the fact that you're simply a QB away from being dominant. That will mean going 6-10 to 8-8 maybe even 9-7 with very close losses even against the dominant/elite teams, perhaps even sprinkling in an upset here or there. If and when you do land a stud or very good QB, you're ready to tango with the best of them.

Look back at the now powerhouse teams that earlier in the 2000s had pretty good defenses along with impressive O-lines. They were competitive. Insert a Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco....instant contenders. Fast forward to recent years, insert Wilson into a very Steelers/Ravensish type situation and look what you have. 49ers and most recently the Chiefs, it seemed, were primed with stacked talent and only a competent coach away from becoming a contender.

You then have times where you nab/acquire a QB that is so good he makes up for areas that are seriously lacking, ala Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck....but this example is more like hitting the lottery so it's best to build the team and especially the trenches that yield better chances of becoming dominant by landing a very good but not great QB to compliment the overall team.
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610 interviewed Theisman re. the Texans QB draft situation. He essentially stated that he felt that there is no one out there that would be worth taking as a first...
Trade down or 1-1 or trading back into the end of the first I think we secure our QB in the first round. Who that guy is dictates how we get him. And I don't think they're set on any one guy at this time. We've got 97 days.

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Everyone seems concentrated on what type of QB OB is going to want. My concern at this point in time is what he intends to do about the OL scheme and personnel. Seems like all the top teams/QBs are playing with strong OL. It does no good to have a QB that spends most of his time watching from the sidelines. My concern is that our OL be the protective equivalent of a condom that is unlikely to ever break. OB's curious and weak choice of Dunn as the OL "supervisor" now worries me that we will have someone potentially saboutaging our best condoms money can buy, by poking them with pins.
Until we release some current contracts and free up cap space, we have limited resources to sign FA's. We have only seven draft picks and #6 & #7 are always questionable as to immediate impact; #5 is borderline. So that leaves four draft picks to address all the question marks on offense and defense. This is my concern.
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610 interviewed Theisman re. the Texans QB draft situation. He essentially stated that he felt that there is no one out there that would be worth taking as a first. He commented that Schaub has taken this team as far as he will ever be able to do. He said that he felt that Keenum given a fair shake and under the tutelage of the new regime would give the Texans the best option for success.
Unfortunately because of league rules, OB will be unable to see what Keenum has with on field time. His assessment will need to be made with film study and classroom time with Keenum. I'm on record with my opinion that, if this predraft assessment is positive, then this is our best case scenario, allowing us to trade down for extra picks, addressing my concern expressed in my post a few moments ago.
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Unfortunately because of league rules, OB will be unable to see what Keenum has with on field time. His assessment will need to be made with film study and classroom time with Keenum. I'm on record with my opinion that, if this predraft assessment is positive, then this is our best case scenario, allowing us to trade down for extra picks, addressing my concern expressed in my post a few moments ago.
What league rules are you referring to?
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What league rules are you referring to?
Last week I found that the league has rules and dates proscribing when teams may practice, whether in shorts or pads, etc. How far coaches can go circumventing these, is up to interpretation. But "team activities" are restricted to the dates below. My interpretation is that the April 15 date refers to "strength, conditioning and physical rehabilitation". The start of on field activities begin after the draft on May 8-10.

This is for 2013, but 2014 will be similar: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...eason-workouts

Following is the NFL Offseason Workout Program calendar for 2013. Voluntary offseason workout programs are intended to provide training, teaching and physical conditioning for players.

As per Article 21 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each club's official, voluntary nine-week offseason program is conducted in three phases:

Phase One consists of the first two weeks of the program with activities limited to strength and conditioning and physical rehabilitation only.

Phase Two consists of the next three weeks of the program. On-field workouts may include individual player instruction and drills as well as team practice conducted on a "separates" basis. No live contact or team offense vs. team defense drills are permitted.

Phase Three consists of the next four weeks of the program. Teams may conduct a total of 10 days of organized team practice activity, or "OTAs". No live contact is permitted, but 7-on-7, 9-on-7, and 11-on-11 drills are permissible.

Article 22 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement stipulates that clubs may hold one mandatory minicamp for veteran players. This minicamp, noted below, must occur during Phase Three of the offseason program. Head coaches hired after the end of the 2012 season are also entitled to conduct an additional voluntary veteran minicamp.

Each club may hold a rookie football development program for a period of seven weeks, which in 2013 may begin on May 13. During this period, no activities may be held on weekends, with the exception of one post-NFL Draft rookie minicamp, which may be conducted on either the first or second weekend following the draft.

For specific information and detailed offseason program rules, please see Articles 21 and 22 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (beginning on page 131), available on nflmedia.com and nflcommunications.com.

Dates are tentative and subject to change:

Houston Texans: First day - April 15; Organized team activities - May 20, 21, 23, 28-30, June 3-6; Minicamps - June 11-13; Rookie minicamps - May 10-12
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I'm with you on this big time. Build the trenches up. Even if that means you're only competitive. Everyone will be aware of the fact that you're simply a QB away from being dominant. That will mean going 6-10 to 8-8 maybe even 9-7 with very close losses even against the dominant/elite teams, perhaps even sprinkling in an upset here or there. If and when you do land a stud or very good QB, you're ready to tango with the best of them.

Look back at the now powerhouse teams that earlier in the 2000s had pretty good defenses along with impressive O-lines. They were competitive. Insert a Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco....instant contenders. Fast forward to recent years, insert Wilson into a very Steelers/Ravensish type situation and look what you have. 49ers and most recently the Chiefs, it seemed, were primed with stacked talent and only a competent coach away from becoming a contender.

You then have times where you nab/acquire a QB that is so good he makes up for areas that are seriously lacking, ala Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck....but this example is more like hitting the lottery so it's best to build the team and especially the trenches that yield better chances of becoming dominant by landing a very good but not great QB to compliment the overall team.
while I agree with building trenches, if you don't take QB when he is there you don't know when you will land another. Same with my wanting JuWaun James second day but if I wait until 3rd and he goes late second....depends on the risks you are willing to take.

Also, if you wait until 2015 to get QB, you still could miss unless 1-3. Winston is hot now but will he be next season? Will he return to school?
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Until we release some current contracts and free up cap space, we have limited resources to sign FA's. We have only seven draft picks and #6 & #7 are always questionable as to immediate impact; #5 is borderline. So that leaves four draft picks to address all the question marks on offense and defense. This is my concern.
QB, ILB, Nose and replacement for Ninja is pretty good. If Reed can switch to ILB we then draft OLB. Four starters would be very solid day one. If we trade down we could add a couple more starters/depth and that is just trading down 1-1. We could also trade down in second and third getting additional picks those two rounds.
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In all this talk about our future QB poor TJ Yates is just a forgotten soul.
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Last week I found that the league has rules and dates proscribing when teams may practice, whether in shorts or pads, etc....
Thought that was where you were going.

I don't see that as a significant impediment to OB forming an opinion. He'll have far more than he will in evaluating college QBs (or for that matter potential NFL FAs or trade acquisitions) - actual NFL film and a load of Texans practices when he was preparing to start (the Texans film all practices).
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In all this talk about our future QB poor TJ Yates is just a forgotten soul.
Well he cannot blame it on the Bossanova, he has only to look in the mirror.
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QB, ILB, Nose and replacement for Ninja is pretty good. If Reed can switch to ILB we then draft OLB. Four starters would be very solid day one. If we trade down we could add a couple more starters/depth and that is just trading down 1-1. We could also trade down in second and third getting additional picks those two rounds.
I agree with your priorities, but I'd like to add an OL'man. I'd also like to add an OLB with real speed in addition to an ILB. I'm liking Barr more and more with our first pick, to pair with Skov on the inside. So I have six priorities rather than four. And we will sign at least one FA. If we go with a QB with the first pick, I believe next season will be interesting but we'll still have holes. I'd expect somewhere about 7-9 or 8-8, with Bridgewater. Less with Bortles. And I agree with trading down in lower rounds. That 2-1 pick to begin the second day will be a valuable trade option.

I'd like Keenum's pre-draft assessment to be positive, but otherwise, the best fit for OB's offense, for immediate impact, would be Bridgewater.
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I agree with your priorities, but I'd like to add an OL'man. I'd also like to add an OLB with real speed in addition to an ILB. I'm liking Barr more and more with our first pick, to pair with Skov on the inside. So I have six priorities rather than four. And we will sign at least one FA. If we go with a QB with the first pick, I believe next season will be interesting but we'll still have holes. I'd expect somewhere about 7-9 or 8-8, with Bridgewater. Less with Bortles. And I agree with trading down in lower rounds. That 2-1 pick to begin the second day will be a valuable trade option.

I'd like Keenum's pre-draft assessment to be positive, but otherwise, the best fit for OB's offense, for immediate impact, would be Bridgewater.
yeah in my mock I have an OT/QB/DE in 2nd /3rd and 4th. My NT and an OLB/ILB in 5th. All start day one but I think a trade down happens.
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while I agree with building trenches, if you don't take QB when he is there you don't know when you will land another. Same with my wanting JuWaun James second day but if I wait until 3rd and he goes late second....depends on the risks you are willing to take.

Also, if you wait until 2015 to get QB, you still could miss unless 1-3. Winston is hot now but will he be next season? Will he return to school?
I hear ya. But I'm in no way saying to pass on anyone whom OB deems worthy to have as a franchise QB. I'm simply saying that, due to how senstive the QB position is....with it at times setting you back decades before you have THAT QB (even if only a Flacco/Roethlisber/Eli calibur), the former of the two (building team and later adding pretty good QB Vs. finding an Elway/Marino/Manning/Luck prospect) is an easier, albeit still very tough, formula.
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I hear ya. But I'm in no way saying to pass on anyone whom OB deems worthy to have as a franchise QB. I'm simply saying that, due to how senstive the QB position is....with it at times setting you back decades before you have THAT QB (even if only a Flacco/Roethlisber/Eli calibur), the former of the two (building team and later adding pretty good QB Vs. finding an Elway/Marino/Manning/Luck prospect) is an easier, albeit still very tough, formula.
Understand but I think it would help if we would stop thinking we can get a type Q that you identify. We don't have to have one to be successful and there is none available anyway. I want a solid one that can man the position 4-5 years as fill as many other positions in 2014 with quality.
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In all this talk about our future QB poor TJ Yates is just a forgotten soul.
What if, just what if, O'Brien throws everyone a curve-ball and makes Yates the 2014 starter?
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What if, just what if, O'Brien throws everyone a curve-ball and makes Yates the 2014 starter?
That thought actually crossed my mind.
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What if, just what if, O'Brien throws everyone a curve-ball and makes Yates the 2014 starter?
If we pick a QB 1-1, that player will start. He will not have earned the right to start. If anyone else starts, it will be because he will have earned it with his off-season preparation and production in the minicamps and training camp. We as fans should see this, as well, as the preseason develops.
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Already claimed that one. I think it could happen.
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