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Old 01-30-2014   #1881
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What is this guy using as an error rate because INTs clearly are not in Manziel's favor against several of those guys?

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No one I spoke to will deny that Manziel can act like a spoiled kid who is still maturing as a young man, but none expressed great concern about his true character
Talk about an amorphous qualifier swallowing a definitive statement.

Everyone says Manziel acts like a spoiled kid at least at times.

But the author didn't find any of the concerns expressed "great" whatever that means.
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What is this guy using as an error rate because INTs clearly are not in Manziel's favor against several of those guys?


Talk about an amorphous qualifier swallowing a definitive statement.

Everyone says Manziel acts like a spoiled kid at least at times.

But the author didn't find any of the concerns expressed "great" whatever that means.
If I was proferring a guess, I'd say he's saying that a sizeable percentage of those ints aren't "on the qb". Weird tipped balls, deflections, etc.

As to the "none were great" statement, that sounds like typical scout fodder. We're somewhat concerned by "a", but its not a show-stopper.
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I don't want us to Draft Manziel... but he's the only QB with enough "special" about him to trade up for.

I can see teams falling in love with Manziel, Clowney, or Watkins to want to trade up to get them. The other guys, not so much...
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If I was proferring a guess, I'd say he's saying that a sizeable percentage of those ints aren't "on the qb". Weird tipped balls, deflections, etc.
I would guess the same but that has to call into the question the objectivity of the review. Manziel and Bridgewater have the same number of attempts last year so you have to eliminate 9 of 13 INT's to get even and that is if you don't discount 2 of Bridgewater's as tipped.
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I would guess the same but that has to call into the question the objectivity of the review. Manziel and Bridgewater have the same number of attempts last year so you have to eliminate 9 of 13 INT's to get even and that is if you don't discount 2 of Bridgewater's as tipped.
I'm wondering if it's based on multi-year performance?
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I'm wondering if it's based on multi-year performance?
Could be. Even there the disparity seems tough to overcome. It's only an about 20 attempt difference so that is inconsequential when the total is around 850. Bridgewater has 10 less INT's. That is 45% of JF's INTs eliminated with none of TB's just to get even.

I'm not slagging Manziel, just dubious on the claim.
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Could be. Even there the disparity seems tough to overcome. It's only an about 20 attempt difference so that is inconsequential when the total is around 850. Bridgewater has 10 less INT's. That is 45% of JF's INTs eliminated with none of TB's just to get even.

I'm not slagging Manziel, just dubious on the claim.
To me, that's where strength of competition & "expectations" come into play.

3 INTs is still extremely low, correcting for competition level, I'd say that's maybe 5~7, which is still "better" than Manziel's 13.

Both guys were trying to be better than they were last season, so the "expectations" thing is a wash.
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I don't know why people are still talking about Manziel, someone posted on here that they heard from their mothers fathers sons daughters nieces cousins uncle twice removed from their uncles side who's friends nana's son works at the garbage dump spoke with O'Brien and he said there is no way the Texans are drafting him.

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I don't know why people are still talking about Manziel, someone posted on here that they heard from their mothers fathers sons daughters nieces cousins uncle twice removed from their uncles side who's friends nana's son works at the garbage dump spoke with O'Brien and he said there is no way the Texans are drafting him.

Wow! I know him
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What is this guy using as an error rate because INTs clearly are not in Manziel's favor against several of those guys?
Most scouts will only chart 4/5 maybe 6 games against toughest competition, so I assume that's what he did here. And "errors" could be all kinds of things: throwing into double coverage, interceptable balls, subtracting catchables/tips, missing the open guy, etc. It was asked in the comments -- we'll see if he details it.

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But the author didn't find any of the concerns expressed "great" whatever that means.
I believe his point was Manziel showed immaturity versus bad character (Ryan Leaf).
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What is this guy using as an error rate because INTs clearly are not in Manziel's favor against several of those guys?
Yeah, that stopped me, too.

I can only assume that he's creating a stat on his own by looking at every pick each one of those QBs threw and then assigning the interception to either the WR or the QB based on who he thought made the error. THEN he's computing his own interception/error rate based off that.

I mean, if a QB throws the ball and it hits his guy in the hands, pops up, and gets intercepted... why blame the QB for it? If the QB made the right read and the WR ran the wrong route and it ended up picked, why blame the QB?

I'm not positive the guy did that but if he did, it would be a better stat than just looking at the pure int numbers.
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Most scouts will only chart 4/5 maybe 6 games against toughest competition, so I assume that's what he did here. And "errors" could be all kinds of things: throwing into double coverage, interceptable balls, subtracting catchables/tips, missing the open guy, etc. It was asked in the comments -- we'll see if he details it.


I believe his point was Manziel showed immaturity versus bad character (Ryan Leaf).
The TB fans are going to try a rip this guy to shreds because he doesn't say what they want to see and hear. Let me throw them a bone, last year Russ Lande thought Ryan Nassib was the top QB in the draft and would be a Top 10 pick. Lande has been around for a long time, watches a ton of film and is often the contrarian. He definitely doesn't do the group think thing. I read him regularly just to get another perspective. You can follow him on twitter @RUSSLANDE.
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Most people who are immature at a young age usually become more mature as they get older. That is all!
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Most people who are immature at a young age usually become more mature as they get older. That is all!
Maturity often comes with age. How profound. But it is something some people forget after watching so many fail to mature because of early rewards based on potential rather than production.
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