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Old 01-29-2014   #101
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Who said we were not all on the same page? Once again I did not say Schaub was the Texans best chance to win in 2014, Marshall Faulk did. I think it is safe to say Schaub's days in Houston are over. And I have also said in other posts that it was time to change. I also said I would get behind whomever is selected to lead the Texans.

It's everyone else trying to make it out like I made the comment, and am suggesting Schaub should get another chance. Which never happened. Personally I think some of these guys feelings are hurt because of some of the things I said about their hero Case Keenum, and him not being able to muster even a single win has them a bit touchy. After all they all swore he would light it up. They were also the same crowd who said if the Texans had a mobile QB, our problems were solved. Some of the same dudes also said Kubiak was done, and would never work in the NFL again.
I know my feelings were hurt over comments made about my hero Case Keenum.

He did light it up at first. Nobody can argue otherwise with any credibility. Like I said above though and I'll elaborate just a bit here the team finally hit quit-mode. When Keenum came in and had those very, very good (but not quite good enough) games against KC, Indy, and Arizona I think the losing streak began to take on a new meaning. Here the team had finally moved on past Matt Schaub and I think many of them thought that the change would produce. It didn't (for a number of reasons not the least of which was an often MIA running game due to injuries) and that's when quit-mode kicked in. Not everyone. Not all at once. Just enough doubt and frustration and good old fashioned apathy to keep that last bit of the season in the ditch.

Case didn't get a fair shot. I believe that. I also believe that nobody in the NFL gets promised a fair shot and most prospective players don't even really get a shot at all. On all 32 teams more guys go home it seems than stay on the team. Case had as good a chance as anyone can expect. It just wasn't in the cards this time around. He played well, he played poorly. The same can be said of just about every first time starter. He had a shot and the clock was ticking.

You have to be able to accept that stuff though and move on when the player you like doesn't succeed just like we move on when guys we don't care about fall short. Every year a pack of them shows up, gives it their best shot, and ends up going home. Can't fall in love with any one player because the team marches on.
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Matt Schaub? I think he'll be battling for the backup or third-string job on the quarterback depth chart going into training camp next season. For the Baltimore Ravens that is.
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Matt Schaub? I think he'll be battling for the backup or third-string job on the quarterback depth chart going into training camp next season. For the Baltimore Ravens that is.
Whether you like Schaub or not, I think you'd have to admit he'd be one hell of a good backup QB. That is if he's willing to work cheap. There is no way he is worth the kind of money that's in his contract right now.
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Matt Schaub? I think he'll be battling for the backup or third-string job on the quarterback depth chart going into training camp next season. For the Baltimore Ravens that is.
Carson Palmer is starting in the NFL.
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Questioning whether or not I am a Texans fan is beyond ridiculous. Don't be a douche.
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Gary is a good dude, and good at what he does, and I hope he has success in Baltimore, and yeah I will probably be secretly rooting for him when he comes to Reliant in 2014 for a little payback for the lousy way he was let go from the Texans.
Anyone who has read your posts knows it's no "secret" that you will be rooting against the Texans when Kubiak and or Schaub come to town to play the Texans. Have fun on the Ravens boards, calling for Kubiak and Schaub to replace Harbaugh and Flacco.
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Well all of us will see who will be under center come September! Now won't we?!
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And is light yrs better than Schaub.
You cannot be serious about this. Schaub had a rough season but saying hrs is light years better than Schaub is an absolute joke of a comment.
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Anyone who has read your posts knows it's no "secret" that you will be rooting against the Texans when Kubiak and or Schaub come to town to play the Texans. Have fun on the Ravens boards, calling for Kubiak and Schaub to replace Harbaugh and Flacco.
There you go speaking for everyone again. Also nice job of exaggerating what I posted. Talk about being too sensitive.

I rarely post on that board, and I am pretty sure I will not be there posting garbage like that. I said it was a possibility that Kubiak could become HC there, that is all. Don't be putting words in my mouth.

Schaub does not even play for the Ravens, and it is some of you suggesting that is where he will end up, not me.

Personally it is none of your business who I root for, or why. All you are trying to do is taint my character, or question whether or not I am a Texans fan, which is hilarious. Why the hell would I spend my precious time posting on the Texans board if I were a fan of some other team? Don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question.

In regards to cheering for Kubiak when the Ravens come to Reliant this season, yeah as I said in a previous post, I probably will. But it will be more cheering against db's like you and your ilk for trashing a man who gave everything he had when he was a Texan, and did a lot for the team, that you and others seem to want to pretend never happened, or re-write the history books on what really did happen.

Stop being such a cry baby. It's just a game dude.

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You are high aren't you? You are taking bong rips right now aren't you?

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You cannot be serious about this. Schaub had a rough season but saying hrs is light years better than Schaub is an absolute joke of a comment.
Agreed, but you will have to get used to all the Schaub bashing that goes on here Joe. According to most here, Schaub is the worst QB to ever play football. Some here would rather have the butt fumbler than Schaub, so that tells you where their head is.
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And is light yrs better than Schaub.
There was a time when I believed this. Before his injury (Carson's, not Schaub's) when he had Houshmandzadah & Ocho... actually it was before Ocho Cinco...... Chad Johnson. That was one heck of a QB. But since then....... not so much.
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Trade Schaub for Justin Tucker and trade Bullock for a boxcar load of nuclear waste.
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My personal opinion.

-Don't want to commit to any of the QB prospects coming out this draft. Would rather have Clowney or Matthews. Strong belief in the "...in the trenches".

-Don't want to commit to any of the FA QBs either.

-Hate Schaub's salary but would be worse to take cap hit and cut him.

-I've been done with Schaub for some time now but the question has always begged in the back of my mind, "Could it be Kubiak that restricts Schaub"...sort of the "chick or the egg".

-Trying Schaub out one more year, you've completed the entire "process of elimination" by firing Kubiak and depending on the type of season Schaub has under O'Brian...you can somewhat put things to bed. If Schaub sucks....DONE! No second-guessing yourself. If he does well....then you benefit and can safely assume it lied on Kubiak's ultra-conservative approach.

-EVEN IF Schaub does well under O'Brian...DO NOT....I REPEAT.....DO NOT recommit to him under any circumstances. I don't care if he takes us to the AFC Championshiop...the best in Houston NFL history. Do not commit any further to him.

-If he does well, it allows you to filter through the other aspects of the team that held you back some, be it players at different spots or coaches or their approach. This is something of vital importance you wouldn't be able to do if you either did away with Schaub, ate the cap hit and commit to the wrong FA ior rookie drafted QB as the QB performance would eclipse or sort of distract the appropriate attention away from the other aspects of the team that are lacking. After all, QB is the most important position.

-If he sucks....you know what to do. By this time (perhaps a season later), you can safely put that issue to bed, you move on without any reservations. The cap hit is now drastically reduced. Potentially better FA QBs are on the market or possibly better QB prospects in the draft or at least one O'Brian eyes as HIS GUY. And vice-versa to the previous statement, you find out if other aspects of the game (players/coaches/approaches) were so strong that even despite the lack of positive QB play, those aspects showed tremendous strength and will, keeping the team in the game. That can be a good thing also.

O'Brian is said to be a great offensive mind and a QB guru. But we've heard that before and didn't bear much fruit. We're 0 for 1 with "QB guru"ism. Hopefully we're 1 for 2 with O'Brian and we can at least get decent production at the QB spot regardless of what name is on the back of the jersey. With that said, as much as I've chastised Schaub's name...if O'Brian decides to test it out with Schaub, not feeling too good about the rookie QB prospects, getting something out of the cap hit Vs. cutting him....even if it doesn't result in wins but however does clear things up for him in other ways and still proves to be just as valuable......then I'm up FOR that.

Would make sense to me. I'm sure most wouldn't be able to wrap their heads around it due to last year's results and how disgusted they are with Schaub. But this guy here thinks there's benefits to everything, no matter how grim things are. O'Brian's new here and I'm backing his decisions from the get go. My support may dimish as time goes on, as it did with Kubes....but for now...I'm in 100% until he forces me not to.
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-Don't want to commit to any of the QB prospects coming out this draft. Would rather have Clowney or Matthews. Strong belief in the "...in the trenches".



-Don't want to commit to any of the FA QBs either.



-Hate Schaub's salary but would be worse to take cap hit and cut him.



-I've been done with Schaub for some time now but the question has always begged in the back of my mind, "Could it be Kubiak that restricts Schaub"...sort of the "chick or the egg".



-Trying Schaub out one more year, you've completed the entire "process of elimination" by firing Kubiak and depending on the type of season Schaub has under O'Brian...you can somewhat put things to bed. If Schaub sucks....DONE! No second-guessing yourself. If he does well....then you benefit and can safely assume it lied on Kubiak's ultra-conservative approach.



-EVEN IF Schaub does well under O'Brian...DO NOT....I REPEAT.....DO NOT recommit to him under any circumstances. I don't care if he takes us to the AFC Championshiop...the best in Houston NFL history. Do not commit any further to him.



-If he does well, it allows you to filter through the other aspects of the team that held you back some, be it players at different spots or coaches or their approach. This is something of vital importance you wouldn't be able to do if you either did away with Schaub, ate the cap hit and commit to the wrong FA ior rookie drafted QB as the QB performance would eclipse or sort of distract the appropriate attention away from the other aspects of the team that are lacking. After all, QB is the most important position.



-If he sucks....you know what to do. By this time (perhaps a season later), you can safely put that issue to bed, you move on without any reservations. The cap hit is now drastically reduced. Potentially better FA QBs are on the market or possibly better QB prospects in the draft or at least one O'Brian eyes as HIS GUY. And vice-versa to the previous statement, you find out if other aspects of the game (players/coaches/approaches) were so strong that even despite the lack of positive QB play, those aspects showed tremendous strength and will, keeping the team in the game. That can be a good thing also.



O'Brian is said to be a great offensive mind and a QB guru. But we've heard that before and didn't bear much fruit. We're 0 for 1 with "QB guru"ism. Hopefully we're 1 for 2 with O'Brian and we can at least get decent production at the QB spot regardless of what name is on the back of the jersey. With that said, as much as I've chastised Schaub's name...if O'Brian decides to test it out with Schaub, not feeling too good about the rookie QB prospects, getting something out of the cap hit Vs. cutting him....even if it doesn't result in wins but however does clear things up for him in other ways and still proves to be just as valuable......then I'm up FOR that.



Would make sense to me. I'm sure most wouldn't be able to wrap their heads around it due to last year's results and how disgusted they are with Schaub. But this guy here thinks there's benefits to everything, no matter how grim things are. O'Brian's new here and I'm backing his decisions from the get go. My support may dimish as time goes on, as it did with Kubes....but for now...I'm in 100% until he forces me not to.

Your opinion is logical and rational. I see your point.

But, it's sometimes better to scrap the whole thing and start all over.

This team has, for years, too often put off what needs to be done, often under the idea of giving player/coach x "one more year."

Nine times out of ten, that hasn't worked out, and usually the person we've given one more year to does not improve.

Is it possible Schaub was held back by Kubiak? Yes. Is it possible he could thrive under O'Brien? Yes. But I don't care. We have a new coach, who has a new system and wants to train his own QB. Let's get started on that RIGHT NOW rather than wait a year, see IF Schaub works and then drafting a QB next year. A draft, mind you, that we have no idea where we will be picking.

No, it's best to just move on from Schaub, and let him move on in his career.


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Meh! With Bill O'Brien and Romeo being disciples of Belicheat, I think they may trade that #1 pick away, stockpiling future picks. Again, this is a fairly good draft class for QB's, so that they don't have to go "all in" on any one QB. AJ McCarron would be fine (not to mention his GF Katherine Webb -or- his mom Dee Dee Bonner.... *that would be sweet*

Matt Schaub is no longer an option. Irrespective of the "cap hit" I think the Texans and O'Brien will cut ties, cut him outright.


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Why would it be worse to take the cap hit for cutting Schaub? He will count $14.5 million against the cap if he's on the 2014 roster. Even if they take all of his dead money on the 2014 cap, Schaub would count $10.5 million. That's a $4 million cap savings. If they decide to designate Schaub a June 1st cut, there's only $3.5 million in dead money in 2014 ($7 million in 2015). That would be an $11 million cap savings. I don't see anything "worse" about that.
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Why would it be worse to take the cap hit for cutting Schaub? He will count $14.5 million against the cap if he's on the 2014 roster. Even if they take all of his dead money on the 2014 cap, Schaub would count $10.5 million. That's a $4 million cap savings. If they decide to designate Schaub a June 1st cut, there's only $3.5 million in dead money in 2014 ($7 million in 2015). That would be an $11 million cap savings. I don't see anything "worse" about that.
Until it's certain or rather until O'Brian is CERTAIN of what Schaub can or can't do in his system no one can flat out say it's $4.5 million in saving and a $10 million dead money cap hit. I don't care what anyone says, $10 million in cap space is a ton of money. A lot of players can be structured in with that much room.

If O'Brian is certain that Schaub won't cut it, sure...cut your losses and it's easily viewed as $4.5 million saved. But O'Brian could very well value the $10 million dead cap hit more than some are willing to believe. He could view it as Schaub not being $10 million cap dollars bad. Or even not as bad enough for him to take the $10M dead money hit and committing to one of these rookie QBs because that's in essence the case.

I see that here on this board along with social media that the masses talk about Schaub being released and $4.5M in saving as if it's imminent. These folks could be setting themselves up for huge disappointment. No one knows whether O'Brian values the $4.5M in cap savings over the $10M in dead money or vice versa, values the $10M cap hit over the $4.5 in cap saving, thus thinking Schaub and his contract is better than the rookie prospects.

I'm simply trying to view both sides objectively.

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Well you had better cut that crap out. The last thing we need around here is someone trying to be reasonable.
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I would have gone for objectively.
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