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Old 01-25-2014   #61
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really? Johnny Manziel had Luke Joeckel @ LT (2nd overall pick in 2013) & Jake Matthews the #1 rated OT this year as his tackles, lol
Don't forget Cedric Ogbuehi, who will likely be a 1st round pick in 2015.
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Don't forget Cedric Ogbuehi, who will likely be a 1st round pick in 2015.
your right of course, my bad.
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Durability is the main concern. Not everyone will gain weight when they get into the NFL.... look at Matt McGloin, I don't think Michael Vick ever gained any weight.

Look, you guys can ignore the size issue as it pertains to Bridgewater, that's fine. You can minimize it as well. Sooner or later, you're going to realize that you're saying, "Close enough" too many times.

Maybe this is a new NFL, maybe the game has passed me up.....

At 6'1" 210lbs, there were concerns about Michael Vick being to frail to play in the NFL. Atlanta took him with the #1 pick overall. That's all I'm saying, it should be a concern.
Nobody is ignoring it, but we aren't making it the forerunning concern that you are.

Mike Vick was an injury concern at his size because he took off and ran so much; leaving himself exposed to open field tackles and hits. Bridgewater is not that guy, he will not often be running around in the open field but rather sitting in the pocket. Sure there is plenty of risk for big hits while in the pocket, but usually where QBs get hurt here is from the force of being driven into the ground by 280 pound lineman; not because they are 5 or 10 pounds shy of some magical number that makes them durable.

Bridgewater of course knows that his size, notably weight, is a concern, so I am sure it is something that he is keeping in mind. But I also think he knows that showing up at a certain weight to the combine is not his number 1 priority, and is likely focusing at getting stronger and refining his craft of throwing the football.

If Bridgewater shows up at 6"1 190 pounds, then I think we have a problem, but I really don't think he is that small, although I might be totally wrong and in for a rude awakening the end of next month.
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No doubt about it. I think Big 'ol Jamarcus Russell didn't like being hit by grown men, again & again, & again, & again.

Little David Carr never missed a game.




Again, if you want to draft him at 1-1, go for it. I'd have my concerns.
Except that time in 2003 in Buffalo when he got blasted for a safety, and Tony Banks and Dave Ragone had to start a few games.
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Nobody is ignoring it, but we aren't making it the forerunning concern that you are.
I've listed all my concerns about Bridgewater.

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Mike Vick was an injury concern at his size because he took off and ran so much; leaving himself exposed to open field tackles and hits.
Vick was still more stout than Bridgewater. 6'1" 210 lbs at 6'3" I don't think Bridgewater is even 205 lbs. That small, & I'm worried about taking hits in the pocket.

& if he's working his butt off to get to 210, that tells me his natural weight is lower.

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Bridgewater of course knows that his size, notably weight, is a concern, so I am sure it is something that he is keeping in mind. But I also think he knows that showing up at a certain weight to the combine is not his number 1 priority, and is likely focusing at getting stronger and refining his craft of throwing the football.

If Bridgewater shows up at 6"1 190 pounds, then I think we have a problem, but I really don't think he is that small, although I might be totally wrong and in for a rude awakening the end of next month.
I think it's worse. I think he played the 2013 season at 6'3" 195-200 lbs.
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Vick's size in 2001 really has no bearing on Bridgewater in my opinion, they are two totally different quarterbacks with different styles.

First, the term "natural weight" is kind of vague and technically there is no such thing. Everyone has a certain body type and their current weight is a result of their dietary and exercise habits. Sure some people are naturally skinny (ectomorph) or naturally fat (endomorph) but anyone can put on/take off weight no matter who they are, the degree of difficulty varies from person to person.

To me, Teddy is a ectomorph/mesomorph combination just from looking at pictures of him and seeing him play. He is not a true ectomorph, which is considered a "hard gainer". If you want to see a true ectomorph look at Kevin Durant; different sport but still a good example.

So the notion that Teddy has to work hard to get to 210 is a bad sign is completely false, all it means is that he will have to work harder than someone who is a mesomorph to add weight and muscle mass. We have no idea what sort of training regime Teddy has been on for the last couple years; he could be doing way too much cardio and not enough heavy weight/low rep lifting. He could be lifting light weights with high reps and not getting a sufficient amount of macronutrients.

But rest assured, a few pounds here or there are not going to scare off NFL scouts. If O'Brien decides he likes Teddy, an NFL training and dietary regime can get him up to a ideal weight no problem. You act like there is some marked difference between him weighing in at 210 and 215...but there isn't, I promise. 5 pounds is such a insignificant amount of weight for a full grown male athlete, my body weight shifts that much from AM to PM depending on how hydrated I am and the occurrence of my last bowl movement.

Personally, I am more interested in his actual height and hand size, because those are things you can't change no matter what you do in the weight room and in the kitchen.
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You don't go from #1 qb drafted to unfa in a yr. For the record, I liked bray as a 3rd rd guy last yr. From what my friends said,who are scouts is that he's football dumb and immature. For the most part,he had 2 1st rd wrs and was still very inconsistent.

Its ok to be wrong,we all are. Hell I thought the texans should've drafted geno smith. Geno was more cold than hot and now he's in a fight for his football life. I may be proven right or very wrong in the near future,but I'm not stubborn enough to try to convince myself I'm right.

Btw, this thread proves a lot in terms of qb eval. You keep saying wait till next yr,just like people kept saying wait till next yr. I'm going to say right now, next yr there will be 2 qbs with a high 1st rd grade and only 1 of which, winston, who will have a grade higher than bridgewater. Petty,hogan,mariotta will not once the scouts get into them. See David Fales,Matt Barkley,Landry Jones.
Well said bro. Nothing wrong with admitting your wrong, but putting on a blind fold and still swinging is kind of foolish.

We all liked Tyler Bray's arm and size. Some people just aren't ready for this yet (maybe ever), plus we already have him on the Texans, his name is TJ Yates. I did like Patterson better than Hopkins though and still do.

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Vick was still more stout than Bridgewater. 6'1" 210 lbs at 6'3" I don't think Bridgewater is even 205 lbs. That small, & I'm worried about taking hits in the pocket.
The only thing they have in common is their skin color. Vick is an idiot. Me and my buddies identify blitzes coming at him just fine watching him play, but he has never been able to see that. They have 2 COMPLETELY different playing styles, and Vick's is not built to last.

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If Manziel was behind a solid Oline would he remain in the pocket after he learned to trust them?
Some people you can build the greatest plane ever for, but they would still prefer to run on their feet.
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The only thing they have in common is their skin color. Vick is an idiot. Me and my buddies identify blitzes coming at him just fine watching him play, but he has never been able to see that. They have 2 COMPLETELY different playing styles, and Vick's is not built to last.
Whoa... we're just talking about his size... no need to go all "skin color" on me.
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