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Old 01-21-2014   #61
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How would this bring more novice viewers to the game?

I think it does eliminate the possibility of a couple breaks per game
imo they're only talking about this move to bring back some of the action & excitement to the game that they lost when they did what they did to kickoffs....essentially making them touchback fests.

I have no proof, but i'm guessing that those kinds of 1 off excitement plays (like TDs) are more apt to catch & draw in a novice viewer as opposed to watching a guy kick an extra point or watching the drive that led up to the TD..or watching the actual games...Basically they're trying to extend the excitement of a TD play.
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imo they're only talking about this move to bring back some of the action & excitement to the game that they lost when they did what they did to kickoffs....essentially making them touchback fests.

I have no proof, but i'm guessing that those kinds of 1 off excitement plays (like TDs) are more apt to catch & draw in a novice viewer as opposed to watching a guy kick an extra point or watching the drive that led up to the TD..or watching the actual games...Basically they're trying to extend the excitement of a TD play.


What are you talking about? If they eliminate the PAT kicking attempt and just give you an extra point to walk away or give you the option of going for two most teams will take the extra point without a play.

Im not sure what action and excitement you are talking about adding in or extending the excitement of a td. This is eliminating a play more often than not
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What are you talking about? If they eliminate the PAT kicking attempt and just give you an extra point to walk away or give you the option of going for two most teams will take the extra point without a play.

Im not sure what action and excitement you are talking about adding in or extending the excitement of a td. This is eliminating a play more often than not
But what real need is there to eliminate the actual play for period? it doesn't happen often, but there are instances where PAT's aren't converted routinely. It effectively eliminates an opportunity (albeit a small one) for the opposition to effect the game in the long run. It just Doesn't make sense to me b/c the play itself doesn't take that long to complete & you're not gonna be saving a ton of time/breaks by eliminating it anyway.

You're assuming the bolded....& you're probably right for the most part. But obviously with some of the other options they & others have suggested in this thread, there seems to be an interest in eliminating a fairly routine play like a PAT & there's no real valid explanation for it.
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But what real need is there to eliminate the actual play for period? it doesn't happen often, but there are instances where PAT's aren't converted routinely. It effectively eliminates an opportunity (albeit a small one) for the opposition to effect the game in the long run. It just Doesn't make sense to me b/c the play itself doesn't take that long to complete & you're not gonna be saving a ton of time/breaks by eliminating it anyway.

You're assuming the bolded....& you're probably right for the most part. But obviously with some of the other options they & others have suggested in this thread, there seems to be an interest in eliminating a fairly routine play like a PAT & there's no real valid explanation for it.


My assumption on the first part is due in part to the fact that most teams kick pats vs attempting the two point conversion. The fact that the failure rate for kicking pats is higher than 0 but would then the +1 would go to zero suggest that the use of just taking a point would be higher if this change was made.

Getting rid of kicking pats would remove spots for commercial breaks and would save time if teams took the free extra point and moved on
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Maybe. One option is to score the TD then get the option of 1 automatically tacked on (no play) or attempt a 2 pt.
No 2 point conversion available according to article. You can go for an eighth point, but if you fail your TD is worth 6 instead of 7.

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No 2 point conversion available according to article. You can go for an eighth point, but if you fail your TD is worth 6 instead of 7.

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This is sort of my point...There's really no difference between what happens now & what he's suggesting with the quote from the article.

The change doesn't add much to the game..But it takes quite a bit away from the 3rd phase of the game in ST's who already really don't get many opportunities as it is.

This combined with what they've done to the kickoff just about takes ST's out of football games.
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This is sort of my point...There's really no difference between what happens now & what he's suggesting with the quote from the article.

The change doesn't add much to the game..But it takes quite a bit away from the 3rd phase of the game in ST's who already really don't get many opportunities as it is.

This combined with what they've done to the kickoff just about takes ST's out of football games.
I agree completely. They should just leave it alone. Do not fix what is not broken, IMO.
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No 2 point conversion available according to article. You can go for an eighth point, but if you fail your TD is worth 6 instead of 7.
That is the same thing described differently. However worded you get 7 doing nothing but scoring the TD or you can attempt a conversion akin to the 2 pt now and get either 6 or 8 depending on the result. Call it 0 or 2 v. -1 or +1 it is the same 2 pt swing.

I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.

For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.
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If they really want to change it, start by moving the LOS back to the 20-25. See how it works for a season or two.
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That is the same thing described differently. However worded you get 7 doing nothing but scoring the TD or you can attempt a conversion akin to the 2 pt now and get either 6 or 8 depending on the result. Call it 0 or 2 v. -1 or +1 it is the same 2 pt swing.
I gotcha'. I thought you were talking about Goodell's intention, but yeah, I see what you're saying now.

Are you for this change?
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This is sort of my point...There's really no difference between what happens now & what he's suggesting with the quote from the article.

The change doesn't add much to the game..But it takes quite a bit away from the 3rd phase of the game in ST's who already really don't get many opportunities as it is.

This combined with what they've done to the kickoff just about takes ST's out of football games.


Considering the PAT kicking success rate it really wouldnt take much away from the game and stating it was "quite a bit" is overstating it imo
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Anyone else starting to feel like Goodell cares less about the game and more about making his mark on it?..
Starting? Did you really say STARTING?
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What I want more than anything is for Roger Goodell to get a damned hobby or something and quit "tweaking" the rules of the best damn game in the history of games.

By the time he's done I'm going to be watching the London Silly Nannies run around in circles with streamers getting points for who can pirouette best and who can sing Gilbert and Sullivan while balancing a ball on their nose. This **** does not have to change every year. It just doesn't. Leave it alone and stop ****ing up a good thing Roger.
How about this for a gimmick? Throwback rules with the throwback jerseys. Use a rugby type ball and make the forward pass illegal and the flying wedge legal. And no pads.
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Are you for this change?
I was editing while you asked this. Now, from above:

I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.

For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.
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I was editing while you asked this. Now, from above:

I don't care one way or another if they make this change. If it was something bigger which created more strategy then that could be cool.

For instance using the suggestion earlier, team is down by 11 with limited time. If they get a quick TD do they go for 2 leaving a FG to tie or back it up so a FG wins but a miss means they'll need another TD to win.
The added strategy element is intriguing. One of the many great facets of the game is the design of strategy, so this is one of those issues that could have some interesting scenarios for teams and fans to ponder.

My initial reactions to this kind of suggestion is to leave it alone. However, that doesn't mean that I'm not open to hearing ideas and accepting them if they add to the game.

Extra points are rather boring. I cannot really defend it because it's gotten so routine and monotonous. I liked it when they added 2 point conversion options, so this might be another element that grows on me over time.
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How about this for a gimmick? Throwback rules with the throwback jerseys. Use a rugby type ball and make the forward pass illegal and the flying wedge legal. And no pads.
Instead of having "Special Teams" each team should have another squad of anywhere between 10 and 20 guys who all dress in period uniforms and equipment. These are not members of the team per se. They're guys who probably couldn't make an NFL franchise but who still want to be a part of it. Think of them as some kind of bizarre throwback 12th man. They sit on the sidelines until a TD is scored and then they are solely responsible for coming in and doing these goal line extra point plays and literally anything goes. Leather helmets, no forward pass, everyone wears funky brown cleats and black socks. Freaky stripes EVERYWHERE

There. That's a change I could get behind. At least half of them need to be named "Sullivan".
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Instead of having "Special Teams" each team should have another squad of anywhere between 10 and 20 guys who all dress in period uniforms and equipment. These are not members of the team per se. They're guys who probably couldn't make an NFL franchise but who still want to be a part of it. Think of them as some kind of bizarre throwback 12th man. They sit on the sidelines until a TD is scored and then they are solely responsible for coming in and doing these goal line extra point plays and literally anything goes. Leather helmets, no forward pass, everyone wears funky brown cleats and black socks. Freaky stripes EVERYWHERE

There. That's a change I could get behind. At least half of them need to be named "Sullivan".
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It appears this is not a Goodell idea:

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Via Mike Zwolinski of the Toronto Star, the CFL has discussed dumping the one-point PAT — and could continue to do so.

“Our rules committee discussed the idea of eliminating or altering the convert several years ago and as recently as last year,” CFL V.P. of officiating told the Star. “We plan on continuing to explore this idea, but no change is imminent.”
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I'd rather see the extra point abolished in favor of making the team always go for 2.
Yeah this would make the game really interesting for sure.
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I don't think they really packaged this very well. I would present it as a TD is worth 6, that doesn't change.

Then you can take a point (1) or make a play (2).
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