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Old 01-21-2014   #41
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It isn't either or. They are going to look at a bunch of issues including the fumble from last night.



Would be kind of cool if made the points vary by distance.

40+ 1 pt
50+ 2 pts
60+ 3 pts
I would also add this to the field goal rule book:

Attempt a field goal and hit the 8" wide upright receive an extra 5 points. You know how hard it is to hit an 8" wide object by kicking a football at it? Much harder than kicking it through that Giant open space between them!
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It's not a necessary change so why change it?

Only change the things that need to be changed, like the instant replay procedure on fumble recoveries.


I find that a rather odd way to look at a business. You should always look at ways you can improve how things are done.
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Goodell has also mentioned eliminating kickoffs........ I agree with others that sometimes he just likes bringing up this crap to drum up attention.
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Just make them kick the extra point from the 20 yard line so it's not so automatic.
I would not like that. I hate the fact that kickers already have such a huge impact on a game. Look at how many SB winners we view and great teams we forget about all because some kicker couldn't go in there and ice the winning shot at the end of the game when so many other teams have their kicker seal it. It changes history and the way we view teams historically. And this is all behind some guy who really has nothing to do with how each team played and he skips out there to determine who wins or loses in so many instances. I'd much rather the game get determined by the guys in the trenches and the guys who are out there on almost every play instead of some kicker. But that's just me.
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I find that a rather odd way to look at a business. You should always look at ways you can improve how things are done.
How does taking away the extra point improve the game? It's simply change for the sake of change.
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How does taking away the extra point improve the game? It's simply change for the sake of change.


Im not saying it improves the game, Im saying your response is an odd way to look at or run a business. Taking the PAT kick away would speed the game up though
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Im not saying it improves the game, Im saying your response is an odd way to look at or run a business. Taking the PAT kick away would speed the game up though
Maybe I worded it incorrectly. My point is that there is no sense in changing things that don't need to be changed. Change for the sake of change is not an improvement.
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Maybe I worded it incorrectly. My point is that there is no sense in changing things that don't need to be changed. Change for the sake of change is not an improvement.


Improving the speed of the game/watchability to me would be an improvement. Considering the success rate of PAT kicks is so high it would have very limited impact on the game other than to make them shorter
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Improving the speed of the game/watchability to me would be an improvement. Considering the success rate of PAT kicks is so high it would have very limited impact on the game other than to make them shorter
I am in complete agreement with this. When I'm at home watching a game, with the exception of 2 point attempts, I seldom see the extra points, as combined with the TV timeout immediately preceding and following them, they are the perfect time to run to the kitchen or bathroom.

I can't complain about eliminating something I don't bother to watch anyway.

Change it Roger! (but leave the kickoffs alone)
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Improving the speed of the game/watchability to me would be an improvement. Considering the success rate of PAT kicks is so high it would have very limited impact on the game other than to make them shorter
It's also an extremely important strategic part of the game. The ease of the 1 point play is what makes the decision to go for 2 so difficult. How many times have we seen a team go for 2 early and miss it only to end up losing the game by 1 point?

The speed of the game wouldn't change any. Whatever play replaced the extra point would still be followed by commercials and thus would take just as long. Your issue doesn't seem to be so much with the play itself as it is with the station bordering it with commercial breaks.
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It's also an extremely important strategic part of the game. The ease of the 1 point play is what makes the decision to go for 2 so difficult. How many times have we seen a team go for 2 early and miss it only to end up losing the game by 1 point?

The speed of the game wouldn't change any. Whatever play replaced the extra point would still be followed by commercials and thus would take just as long. Your issue doesn't seem to be so much with the play itself as it is with the station bordering it with commercial breaks.
Does anyone remember Tony Romo fumbling a hold on a FG years ago. That was essentially extra point distance. Yeah, it is almost a given that it should be made every time, but that isn't always the case. I watch red zone and there was a week this year where there were almost 3-4 botched extra points within an hour. Its not always a sure thing.
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It's also an extremely important strategic part of the game. The ease of the 1 point play is what makes the decision to go for 2 so difficult. How many times have we seen a team go for 2 early and miss it only to end up losing the game by 1 point?
You arent making a case against this change. The fact the PAT kick is so automatic is actually a reason for the change. The two point PAT choice is still there


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The speed of the game wouldn't change any. Whatever play replaced the extra point would still be followed by commercials and thus would take just as long. Your issue doesn't seem to be so much with the play itself as it is with the station bordering it with commercial breaks.

If you took out a play that happens 3-8 times a game that has game stopage usually on both sides of it, it would speed up the game.
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You arent making a case against this change. The fact the PAT kick is so automatic is actually a reason for the change. The two point PAT choice is still there





If you took out a play that happens 3-8 times a game that has game stopage usually on both sides of it, it would speed up the game.
Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.
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If the object is to get rid of the "automatic" 1 point kick, why not make the 2 point conversion worth 3 points?

A team has the option for the 1 point kick from the same spot as now or score 3 points. Most teams will go for 3, thus accomplishing goal of more "action" while adding more suspense to end of games.
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Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.
Maybe. One option is to score the TD then get the option of 1 automatically tacked on (no play) or attempt a 2 pt.
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Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.
Thats not a given. If its a -1 or +1 sort of "two point conversion" then that doesn't get run any more often than usual (rarely).

And even if we replace the current extra point with another play, it is almost certain to be a much more compelling play, since the XP is basically automatic.
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Except that it would just be replaced by some other sort of play between the TD and the kickoff, so they will just keep the commercial breaks exactly the way they are.
You are incorrect. As it stands most kick pats, if you get that point without kicking it most teams will still take that and move on. No play would be run between the td and the kickoff
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I clearly misread the post about getting the 7th point automatically with a -1/+1 option on the try. I could get behind that. I thought we were talking about replacing the extra point with a different type of play.
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Does a PAT really slow the game down that much though? Not really..all the damn commercial breaks do but i doubt there's been serious consideration to eliminating a few of those to speed up the game. The NFL is the only sport i'm aware of where its fans look forward to seeing commercials....At least on Superbowl Sunday anyway.

Lets just call this what this is...it's another attempt by Ol' Rog & the owners to bring more novice viewers to the game...i.e. more money. I get it from a business standpoint, but it's so unnecessary to mess with the game every year much less this aspect of the game.

This, combined with the changes he's made on kickoffs....seems like he's trying to lessen the importance of kicking and/or get rid of kickers all together.

he needs to just leave it alone already...& focus more on getting these refs to be more consistent......
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Does a PAT really slow the game down that much though? Not really..all the damn commercial breaks do but i doubt there's been serious consideration to eliminating a few of those to speed up the game. The NFL is the only sport i'm aware of where its fans look forward to seeing commercials....At least on Superbowl Sunday anyway.

Lets just call this what this is...it's another attempt by Ol' Rog & the owners to bring more novice viewers to the game...i.e. more money. I get it from a business standpoint, but it's so unnecessary to mess with the game every year much less this aspect of the game.

This, combined with the changes he's made on kickoffs....seems like he's trying to lessen the importance of kicking and/or get rid of kickers all together.

he needs to just leave it alone already...& focus more on getting these refs to be more consistent......

How would this bring more novice viewers to the game?

I think it does eliminate the possibility of a couple breaks per game
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