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Old 01-18-2014   #61
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I believe that some are reading things a little too literally. The author includes lots of the "warts" he has to overcome. But pointing out the potential. This is very little different from what we are hearing about the upcoming draft candidates.
Agreed. Nobody really means, "Just like Brady" when they say, "Just like Brady."
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Sorry counselor, you're going to have to "define" "superior college careers" show me the draft grades you speak of.

I'm also not sure that Bridgewater would go in the first round in the same draft as Newton, Locker, & Ponder.

How many meaningful games did Colin Kaepernick play in 2011? Or Aaron Rodgers in 2005, 2006, or 2007?

From everything I've read, Mallet was as successful as any of these QBs in this draft (save Heisman winner Manziel), ran a pro style offense with Petrino, has the size, has the arm..... but because of some off field issues, he fell in the draft.

He's had some time to mature, he's studied under the GOAT, he's been coached by the GOAT...
Very much agree. Mallet has shown no incidents of character issues since he joined the Pats. In fact he has been extremely active in youth football activities (including the Harvard football league of disabled youth) and many community services.
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I think its time we stop experimenting with QB trades and draft a QB; let's start with a blank canvas
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I think its time we stop experimenting with QB trades and draft a QB; let's start with a blank canvas
Throwing 4 passes isn't a blank canvas?

Having experience in BO"B"s offense isn't a positive?

Having as much or more talent than any QB in this draft isn't good enough? Don't equate Mallett to Schaub.
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I think its time we stop experimenting with QB trades and draft a QB; let's start with a blank canvas
It's an experiment regardless what we do. Either we'll get the emaciated Bridgewater, petite Manziel, Bortles after only two years, or a really good deal on McCarron.

None of us know what any of these guys are going to do. We need to look at all our options Ryan Mallet is an option.
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Mallet was hooked up to ESPN's "Biomechanical Assessment System." His tangibles are amazing.
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Mallet was hooked up to ESPN's "Biomechanical Assessment System." His tangibles are amazing.
He's got everything this year's QB's have..... prolific, competition, big program, & the one thing none of them have, the one thing you can't teach... size.

Well, he doesn't have the wheel's Manziel or (to a lesser degree) Bridgewater have, but the trade off is size. He's not totally worthless outside the pocket...

The biggest knock on him is that he fell in the draft. I don't understand how/why he fell. But if you were to grade him next to this current batch, I can't see how he doesn't compete favorably.
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Default Re: Brian Hoyer/Ryan Mallet ?

I'd be cool if we traded for him..i liked him coming out..big tall kid with a cannon that seemed to know his football & he's only gotten better at all those things since he's been in the league. We also know Belichick doesn't keep guys around if he doesn't see anything in them.....This dude has managed to hang around on the patriots roster for more than a few years.

He's had time to sit & watch 1 of the best..He's been in a great organization so he knows how things need to go from the standpoint of winning...The fact that he & BoB have worked together also doesn't hurt either.
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He's got everything this year's QB's have..... prolific, competition, big program, & the one thing none of them have, the one thing you can't teach... size.

Well, he doesn't have the wheel's Manziel or (to a lesser degree) Bridgewater have, but the trade off is size. He's not totally worthless outside the pocket...

The biggest knock on him is that he fell in the draft. I don't understand how/why he fell. But if you were to grade him next to this current batch, I can't see how he doesn't compete favorably.
It was said he fell because of off field issues, but the only recorded mark he has against him was a PI arrest in 2009. Maybe he failed to impress in interviews which solidified his fall...however I just found this article that was pre-combine and before any team interviews, and it was already predicting he would fall:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-ryan-mallett/
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It was said he fell because of off field issues, but the only recorded mark he has against him was a PI arrest in 2009. Maybe he failed to impress in interviews which solidified his fall...however I just found this article that was pre-combine and before any team interviews, and it was already predicting he would fall:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-ryan-mallett/
He admitted to using drugs including coke.
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He admitted to using drugs including coke.
Thats right, I just remembered that too...

Obviously that hasn't been an issue since Mallet has been in the NFL though, because I would assume with even a whiff of that behavior I am sure Belichick would have kicked his ass to the street.
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There was also some criticism (stupid by the way) that Mallet was a white guy who acts black, and he had a black girlfriend. Can't believe that stuff was even brought up in 2011.
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There was also some criticism (stupid by the way) that Mallet was a white guy who acts black, and he had a black girlfriend. Can't believe that stuff was even brought up in 2011.
This is what I heard from some people at Arkansas.

The fact that he hasn't gotten in trouble in the NFL makes the drugs and this assertion irrelevant to me.
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One thing I don't like about him for sure? He has no freakin' HD cut ups or highlights...was 2010 really that long ago?
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One thing I don't like about him for sure? He has no freakin' HD cut ups or highlights...was 2010 really that long ago?
Well there's obviously not many NFL highlights to show outside of preseason (though his best regular season throw ironically was his INT, it hit visanthe shaincoe right in the chest but he dropped it and it got intercepted)

Theres plenty of him in college...not sure if they're HD though lol
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Well there's obviously not many NFL highlights to show outside of preseason (though his best regular season throw ironically was his INT, it hit visanthe shaincoe right in the chest but he dropped it and it got intercepted)
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One thing I don't like about him for sure? He has no freakin' HD cut ups or highlights...was 2010 really that long ago?
Mallet college highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OurYaWeYlQw
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Yeah thats nowhere HD though . I have seen him play plenty, watched him destroy us in person at Kyle field in 2009 I believe. Just would like some nice quality highlights or cutups, its easier to notice the little things QBs do when you aren't deciphering where the brown pixel that represent the football is.
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Yeah thats nowhere HD though . I have seen him play plenty, watched him destroy us in person at Kyle field in 2009 I believe. Just would like some nice quality highlights or cutups, its easier to notice the little things QBs do when you aren't deciphering where the brown pixel that represent the football is.
These are a little closer up to where you can see more of the QB but you can't really see the throw with the angle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFDGBOYdCg0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQ2hQZeeP8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHDmI2VI3qs (the best of the 3 but not very long unfortunately)
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Texans fans seem to be in love with backup mediocre QBs. It's like they're afraid of actually drafting a franchise caliber QB. Bill O'Brien is going to draft a QB with the first pick. It's a no brainer. He's not going to go with someone else's backup QB no matter how much he likes him or draft Clowney. A DE will not win you a Super Bowl, he can certainly help, but only an elite QB will get us there.
There is not a franchise QB in every draft. This is the evaluation which is being made. Not whether we would draft one if he is there. We cannot assume there is a franchise QB just because we have the 1-1 pick.
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