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Old 01-20-2014   #621
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My memory of old school is different from what I'm reading and for me somehow yesteryear is better than yesterday. First, you had and still have different personalities, but today there is more political correctness.

When I saw Sherman's interview last night the first thing came to mind was him sounding like a professional wrestler. I wasn't amused, yet I wasn't really offended either. Being a lifelong (theirs) Cowboys fan, OMG, I remember cringing every time a commentator put a mike in Mike Irvin's face. He was like the wayward family member and I prayed accordingly for years.
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My 2 cents.

a) I like trash talking. Think it can be funny. But I also think there are two sides to it. You can be a Deion, a Steve Smith or some of these other guys and come across as funny/crazy. Or you can be a Richard Sherman type that comes across as just a lunatic with some serious issues.

b) My issue isn't with some of the talk as much as the action. Sherman chased Crabtree down after the play. Punk move.

c) I was laughing on Twitter last night because defenders of Sherman said he was this 4.0 student and went to Stanford. Wow, I didn't know that people at Stanford were immune from being classless bleeps. There are a-holes at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc, etc. Good schools known for academics don't change your personal skill sets.
Yup, the bolded is really the only thing I took issue with. Crabtree may very well be an asshat, but running down a dude right after the game to rub it in isn't considered sportsmanlike imo.

That said, sportsmanship is becoming harder and harder to find these days.

BTW, I couldn't care less about what Sherman said in Erin's (hottie) interview.
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Yup, the bolded is really the only thing I took issue with. Crabtree may very well be an asshat, but running down a dude right after the game to rub it in isn't considered sportsmanlike imo.

That said, sportsmanship is becoming harder and harder to find these days.

BTW, I couldn't care less about what Sherman said in Erin's (hottie) interview.
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Espn had an article that mentioned this beef goes back to the offseason where Crabtree said something to Sherman . To be continued next year
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I find it odd that in all of this "role model" talk a big deal is being made about Sherman's loud mouth yet nobody is talking about Crabtree shoving him in the face.

So it's not okay to talk trash to an opponent but if somebody talks trash to you it is okay to put your hands on them? Got it.

I can see how Sherman's act gets tired to some. I just think it's funny that nobody cares what Crabtree does, only how Sherman reacts.
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I find it odd that in all of this "role model" talk a big deal is being made about Sherman's loud mouth yet nobody is talking about Crabtree shoving him in the face.

So it's not okay to talk trash to an opponent but if somebody talks trash to you it is okay to put your hands on them? Got it.
crabtree throughout the game is probably the bigger (whiner, douche, showboat, putz, loudmouth, etc) and most assuredly had it coming. for that moment though he should get the nobel peace prize for only pushing sherman away. if i had just lost such a meaningful game and the loudmouth chased me down to give me hell about it, they'd be trying to determine whether the NFL or the police should decide my punishment.
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I find it odd that in all of this "role model" talk a big deal is being made about Sherman's loud mouth yet nobody is talking about Crabtree shoving him in the face.

So it's not okay to talk trash to an opponent but if somebody talks trash to you it is okay to put your hands on them? Got it.

I can see how Sherman's act gets tired to some. I just think it's funny that nobody cares what Crabtree does, only how Sherman reacts.
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Still think this was the most impactful play of the weekend...




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“It is a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib,” Belichick told reporters Monday morning. “No attempt to get open. And I’ll let the league handle the discipline on that play. It’s not for me to decide, but it’s one of the worst plays I’ve seen..."
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...hit-aqib-talib
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crabtree throughout the game is probably the bigger (whiner, douche, showboat, putz, loudmouth, etc) and most assuredly had it coming. for that moment though he should get the nobel peace prize for only pushing sherman away. if i had just lost such a meaningful game and the loudmouth chased me down to give me hell about it, they'd be trying to determine whether the NFL or the police should decide my punishment.
Kinda my point with all these "role model" posts. It's not okay to be a loudmouth, but it's okay to use violence if someone is mean to you?

Plus, if he hadn't been running his mouth so much that moment (Sherman taunting him) wouldn't have hurt so bad.

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Two wrongs do not make a right, but three rights make a left in Michigan.
Not saying either is right. Just think the double standard is odd.
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Old school or new school depends on the program you were in.

My football "career" was only high school and middle school, but I was taught in a "gamesmanship" style. Borderline cheating and playing dirty. That could include smack talk or cheapshots.

To me that is old school, since a lot of football is coming as close to cheating as you possibly can without getting caught.
I agree completely.

The is so much of this weird hindsight thing about the past, like it was all gold and buttercups and everyone hugging and being nice to each other.

Except, you know, it's all revisionist history B.S.

Like I've said in the NSZ, the past is full of just as much controversy, inequality, cheating, and dirty play as anything happening today, both in society at large and within sports.

I watch a LOT of NFL Films stuff over the decades, and anyone that believes there was more sportsmanship and "honor" in past decades than today is either a liar, delusional, and/or simply ignorant of history.

Deacon Jones purposefully giving linemen concussions with a hidden piece of metal in his forearm cast? Dude BRAGGED about breaking rules and hitting opponents on their heads. And this is a HoF player who the NFL regularly celebrates.

We can go on and on with examples, but that's beside the point. Pro players were just as ruthless to win in the past as anyone today (perhaps even more with less refs and scrutiny about player safety in the past).

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And doing the choker sign at him. Classless.

"I know you are but what am I?"
The choker sign was actually at Kaepernick, not that it makes it better.

They should never put a microphone in a very emotional player's face just moments after a huge play in a monumental game.

I'm not a big fan of Sherman, but I respect his talent and his mouth writes checks that his play on the field cashes.

His beef with Crabtree goes way back, and considering these guys play each other twice a year, it's a solid rivalry.

Sherman explained himself in this article from a couple of hours ago, fwiw:

‘To Those Who Would Call Me a Thug or Worse …'
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Still think this was the most impactful play of the weekend...




http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...hit-aqib-talib


Bill is reaching big time. I'm sure you don't plan to send someone out with a knee issue hitting them like Wes did
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Sherman explained himself in this article from a couple of hours ago, fwiw:

‘To Those Who Would Call Me a Thug or Worse …'
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I ran over to Crabtree to shake his hand but he ignored me. I patted him, stuck out my hand and said, “Good game, good game.” That’s when he shoved my face, and that’s when I went off.


When you try to show sportsmanship and someone does that to you, then they deserve to get punked IMO.
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Still think this was the most impactful play of the weekend...




http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...hit-aqib-talib
He ought to know. Reaping the rewards of his style of play.
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Bill is reaching big time. I'm sure you don't plan to send someone out with a knee issue hitting them like Wes did
Looks pretty damn intentional to me and should have drawn a flag. The intent to hit Talib is what Belichick means I think, not specifically the knee.

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I think Sherman a little too crazy -- it's funny to hear that "interview" and remember that he has a Communications degree from Stanford -- but I know enough about Crabtree to believe he was probably provoking a lot of it.
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Looks pretty damn intentional to me and should have drawn a flag. The intent to hit Talib is what Belichick means I think, not specifically the knee.
It wasn't clear from The Hoodie's comments, but yeah, if he was only referring to the (illegal) pick as intentional and not the intent to injure, then I would agree with him.
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Skittles? I thought that was a sign of respect...
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Looks pretty damn intentional to me and should have drawn a flag. The intent to hit Talib is what Belichick means I think, not specifically the knee.

It said “It is a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib,” I took that as take him out of the game, which I don't believe was anyone's intention. I Bill was just talking about that single play I'd agree
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