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View Poll Results: Do you s still believe Case Keenum can be a SUCCESSFUL NFL QB?
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Old 01-11-2014   #121
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BOB is going to probably do what most incoming HC's would do in his situation. He's going to draft a highly touted prospect and try to win with him.
I think this is a very realistic view. Keenum is a project. Like it or not he is Kubiak's project. I don't think BOB is going to invest into someone else's project. In my opinion, he'll draft his own guy to invest in.

It's impossible to guess who they'll draft, but there are definitely some dotted lines between BOB and the Bortles kid.

This is going to be a very interesting off season.
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Default Re: Does Anybody still BELIEVE in Case Keenum?

I origianlly put this in another thread. Thought it made more sense here.

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Teams are going to blitz & create pressure with overloads on a regular basis in the NFL .... getting the ball out rapidly & on target are key in beating those situations.
This was one of the reasons Keenum failed so miserably .... failure to get the ball out quickly , along with defenses catching on to how to stop him - pressure.
This was also supposed to be one of his strong suits. & playing from the spread, you'd think he was pretty good at making quick decisions. They simply didn't materialize in live NFL situations.

However, something else had to have been going on. Keenum was in a lot of situations he should have known he blitz was coming, or situations he should have known to get rid of the ball quickly. Like those sacks in the end zone... QB 101 tells you not to hold onto the ball when you're in the end zone. Throw it away if your play isn't there. But time & time again he made bad decisions. Decisions that the lack of a running game, or a TE, or a competent RT does not exonerate.

If we drafted Cam Newton with the #1 overall selection out of Brigham Young & he was sacked/stripped in the end zone twice in an 8 week period, continues to scramble backwards taking us out of field goal range, fail to understand the other team is going to blitz on 3rd down... I'm not making excuses for him.
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It's impossible to guess who they'll draft, but there are definitely some dotted lines between BOB and the Bortles kid.

This is going to be a very interesting off season.
There were several dots between Matt Lienart & Pete Carrol when Carrol was in need of a QB.
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I think this is a very realistic view. Keenum is a project. Like it or not he is Kubiak's project. I don't think BOB is going to invest into someone else's project. In my opinion, he'll draft his own guy to invest in.

It's impossible to guess who they'll draft, but there are definitely some dotted lines between BOB and the Bortles kid.

This is going to be a very interesting off season.
Keenum wasn't a project , he was more of a last resort ..... Schaub wasn't getting it done , Yates hadn't improved .... Keenum was a relative unknown and had some redeeming qualities .... It was likely the only chance to save his job ....
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Was it him that defenses figured out or was it our predictable checkdown offense? I'm still wondering if it would of mattered who QB'ed this offense. Case fits what O'brian is looking for in a QB. I'm looking forward to seeing how that all turns out.

I'm not willing to gamble on it. I'm getting a QB but I think there is a chance his career could be salvaged. I'm not 100 % giving up on him.
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It is the QB's responsibility to make those adjustments at the line. Keenum could not recognize those situations.


Before you go off on a tangent about no audibles - those adjustments are built in - He had the ability to make those adjustments and just didn't do it.
Take a look at the same late season crap offense with Schaub under center , for the most part he recognized those situations and got into the proper protection schemes with the proper hot routes. Keenum Did Not.
how can it be an adjustment/audible if its built in?

it pretty much defeats the purpose of an audible.

What's worse is after that seahawks game, kubiak's answers were completely wishy washy.

He says once we have selected a play its the play we go into but he says like you said there are audibles built in probably trying to soothe fears or trying not to look bad considering its 2013 in the nfl and he doesnt let his quarterbacks audibles and if they do (allegedly) there's restrictions on it.
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how can it be an adjustment/audible if its built in?

it pretty much defeats the purpose of an audible.

What's worse is after that seahawks game, kubiak's answers were completely wishy washy.

He says once we have selected a play its the play we go into but he says like you said there are audibles built in probably trying to soothe fears or trying not to look bad considering its 2013 in the nfl and he doesnt let his quarterbacks audibles and if they do (allegedly) there's restrictions on it.
Meaning that there is a built in audible if Keenum gets a certain look from the defense. Problem is that Case can't correctly identify what's he is seeing, thus negating his ability to make the correct changes.

I'm not going to sit here and say that Kubiak gives his QBs complete authority at the line of scrimmage, but there's no doubt in my mind that during the week the offense comes up with certain hots or adjustments based on a specific look they expect to get during the game.
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how can it be an adjustment/audible if its built in?

it pretty much defeats the purpose of an audible.
This is simple:

They line up with a specific play , the defense shows a look that is likely to counter the original play. The QB makes the proper adjustments to that play to make it successful against the defense he see's. There may be a dozen variations within that same play , depending upon what the defense shows.

That's the definition of an audible , making adjustments .... the fact that the adjustments are scripted matters not , what matters is that the correct adjustments are made.


You don't necessarily have to change the entire play to make it a successful one .....

Lets say we have a deep route combination with a 7 step drop called and the QB reads an overload of pressure from one side or the other - you simply adjust the deep route to a short route and the 7 step to a 3 step to counter the pressure overload and make a positive play - pending execution.

We don't really see these adjustments being made as we don't have a clue what play was called before they left the huddle but rest assured , the adjustments are at the QB's disposal - Its up to him to make them.

We've had this conversation before , some just don't seem to grasp the concept. They just hear that "we don't audible." That doesn't mean "we don't make adjustments."


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What's worse is after that seahawks game, kubiak's answers were completely wishy washy.

He says once we have selected a play its the play we go into but he says like you said there are audibles built in probably trying to soothe fears or trying not to look bad considering its 2013 in the nfl and he doesnt let his quarterbacks audibles and if they do (allegedly) there's restrictions on it.


Kubiak was falling on the knife for his QB .... he took the heat for their ineptitude.
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Has he proven it to O'Brian, or do you think O'Brian should just read the forums and make his coaching decisions from the posts?
He has proved it to anyone that watched him lose all of the games he played in.
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say what you want about keenum and all the coaching instabilities, offensive line woes, and the rest of the team failures mixed in with case's blitzing vision, the new draft of qb's including manziel isn't an upgrade imo.

next years draft is a diff story though. I believe case could work if he starts with a new scheme that fits his ability.
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say what you want about keenum and all the coaching instabilities, offensive line woes, and the rest of the team failures mixed in with case's blitzing vision, the new draft of qb's including manziel isn't an upgrade imo.

next years draft is a diff story though.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Does anybody still think he can be a successful NFL qb? Or did his play and inability to win a game for a 2-14 team enough evidence to know that that he is no good? Or do you think he still has a chance to be successful with a proper head coach and a proper team?

My personal opinion is that Keenum was placed in a bad situation with a lame duck coach, with a flawed offensive philosophy, and a bad team saddled with injuries on both sides of the ball.

I want to see what he can do with a full off season and a new coaching staff.
He's done. Sorry to say
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