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Old 01-18-2014   #521
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I can't see Schaub being back based on how McNair and smith have commented on the situation. Seems to me they've already decided to move on.
If it were me making the decision, saving $4M would not be enough to cut Matt Schaub, considering the organization feels the need to have a veteran QB on the team.

Now, make Schaub a June 1st cut, & cutting him becomes a much more attractive to the tune of $11M dollars.
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If it were me making the decision, saving $4M would not be enough to cut Matt Schaub, considering the organization feels the need to have a veteran QB on the team.

Now, make Schaub a June 1st cut, & cutting him becomes a much more attractive to the tune of $11M dollars.
Either way he is gone.

He will never wear a Texans uniform again.
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Either way he is gone.

He will never wear a Texans uniform again.
I think that is most likely the case. However, McNair said he wants a veteran QB on the team in 2014. From the available FAs we know of now, who do you want?

Our cap situation isn't as bad as a particular member would have you believe (bless her heart), but we do need to be smart about how we "invest" our resources this offseason.

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Again, I don't care to ever see Matt Schaub in a Texans uniform again. But I don't want to see the Texans shoot themselves in the foot for some misplaced hatred. There were several QBs playing as poorly as Schaub to start 2013 (for whatever reason) each hurting their teams chances of winning. Those franchises stuck it out with their guy; Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer... & they all managed to end the season better off than we did (well, we got the #1 pick... none of them made the play-offs).

Phillip Rivers was thought of as "worse" than Schaub just two years ago, last year he "bounced back."

We need to objectively consider all our options, that's all I'm saying.
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I think that is most likely the case. However, McNair said he wants a veteran QB on the team in 2014. From the available FAs we know of now, who do you want?

Our cap situation isn't as bad as a particular member would have you believe (bless her heart), but we do need to be smart about how we "invest" our resources this offseason.

Vick
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Webb

Again, I don't care to ever see Matt Schaub in a Texans uniform again. But I don't want to see the Texans shoot themselves in the foot for some misplaced hatred. There were several QBs playing as poorly as Schaub to start 2013 (for whatever reason) each hurting their teams chances of winning. Those franchises stuck it out with their guy; Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer... & they all managed to end the season better off than we did (well, we got the #1 pick... none of them made the play-offs).

Phillip Rivers was thought of as "worse" than Schaub just two years ago, last year he "bounced back."

We need to objectively consider all our options, that's all I'm saying.
Really very simple.

If we draft JFF ... we sign Vick.

If we don't, we sign a pocket QB like McCown or similar.
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Really very simple.

If we draft JFF ... we sign Vick.

If we don't, we sign a pocket QB like McCown or similar.
So now we're out of cap space, unless we make Schaub a June 1st cut.


That's all I'm saying.
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So now we're out of cap space, unless we make Schaub a June 1st cut.


That's all I'm saying.
Yeah well Smith trashed the cap and still has a job for some reason. That's a whole different issue.
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Yeah well Smith trashed the cap and still has a job for some reason. That's a whole different issue.
I wouldn't say trashed. We "thought" we were Super Bowl contenders. Gotta pay to play.

I still think Schaub's contract was just shy of genius. He evaluated Matt correctly, recognized the risks, & provided several outs for himself. Flacco, Ryan, Romo, Cutler.... at the time, I wouldn't have taken any of those for Schaub & those teams married themselves to those QBs. Flacco, maybe. But I wouldn't have given him the money he got for sure. Somewhere between what Schaub got & what Flacco got.

We can cut Schaub (& several others) for a net gain in 2014. We can use the June 1st option & it's a big gain.
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Source familiar with the Texans tells me the team would have no problem drafting Bortles & bringing in a veteran to ease Bortles along.
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Who is Tony Pauline? Is this a credible source?
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I wouldn't say trashed. We "thought" we were Super Bowl contenders. Gotta pay to play.

I still think Schaub's contract was just shy of genius. He evaluated Matt correctly, recognized the risks, & provided several outs for himself. Flacco, Ryan, Romo, Cutler.... at the time, I wouldn't have taken any of those for Schaub & those teams married themselves to those QBs. Flacco, maybe. But I wouldn't have given him the money he got for sure. Somewhere between what Schaub got & what Flacco got.

We can cut Schaub (& several others) for a net gain in 2014. We can use the June 1st option & it's a big gain.
I just don't see shifting $7M of the Cap hit to 2015 when we need it most.
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Source familiar with the Texans tells me the team would have no problem drafting Bortles & bringing in a veteran to ease Bortles along.
Yes and McNair is also wanting to draft Clowney. Texans trying to make the #1 pick attractive.
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He sounds like a soprano character.
I can tell you who he's not...

He's not Bill O'Brien. And if we take a QB at 1-1 Bill O'Brien will be making that selection. And he sure as sh!t isn't talking to Tony Pauline or Jason LaCanfora or Tony Soprano or any other NFL rumor-mongering media types trying to boost their Twitter following.

Team sources quit telling the truth to the media regarding the draft when their slot was set. If fun for us to play in, but take it fwiw.
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There are plenty of threads where this is relevant, but I'll start with this one.

The Browns reportedly are willing to trade up to get Manziel.

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The Browns are willing to trade up to land Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel in the draft if need be, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports, citing sources.
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There is a thread about it in the draft forum.
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There is a thread about it in the draft forum.
Ah, missed it. Should've used control + F.
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What paycheck71 said is true. No extension is required. Cutting Matt Schaub is not required.


Matt Schaub has a $17M cap number in 2015. Cutting him & taking the hit in 2014 will free up $17M, making him a June 1st cut frees up $10M in 2015.

That $7M will most likely have no effect on signing Jj Watt long term. We'll be $25M under the cap making Schaub a June 1st cut. There are still other things we can do to free up more money.

In Paycheck's scenario, Schaub takes a paycut for 2014, & we cut Schaub as a June 1st cut going into the 2015 season, We'll free up $14M for 2015, opposed to $17M.
What a stupid contract.

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I can tell you who he's not...

He's not Bill O'Brien. And if we take a QB at 1-1 Bill O'Brien will be making that selection. And he sure as sh!t isn't talking to Tony Pauline or Jason LaCanfora or Tony Soprano or any other NFL rumor-mongering media types trying to boost their Twitter following.

Team sources quit telling the truth to the media regarding the draft when their slot was set. If fun for us to play in, but take it fwiw.
How do you know Rick Smith isn't making the draft calls?
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