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Old 01-11-2014   #421
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Interesting info.... but of those 20+ data points, I wonder how many are "tainted" with YAC yds...

oh and I like the Blitz/no-blitz data....
I would think that the chart is referring to yards traveled through the air, or else the "screens" row wouldn't really make sense.
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Interesting info.... but of those 20+ data points, I wonder how many are "tainted" with YAC yds...

oh and I like the Blitz/no-blitz data....
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Thanks guys. I wasn't sure one way or the other.
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It's interesting to see how they fair when you remove the easy screen passes. Bridgewater's 78% completion percentage comes from picking apart defenses in the 1-20 yard range where you need to read coverage and understand complex route systems. 6-15 yard passes are the bread and butter of NFL offenses and that's where he's at his best. Those are the routes defenses can't take away without risking the deep ball.

The blitz beater numbers are also a huge plus. If he gets protected, defenses are going to be punished for sending more rushers. That's a great catch-22 to throw at them. If you sit back, he picks apart your coverage in intermediate routes, and if you blitz he makes you pay.

On the flip side, this chart reinforces the concerns with Carr and his ability to handle pressure.
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If we were to take a vet QB we can trade back from the #1 gaining #4,#26 & #36 in addition to #33, allowing the Browns our #1 and guaranteeing them teddy by jumping in front of the Jags.

Take a vet, improve the OL get a QB a little later on, and spend 2 high picks to improve the D.

This takes the pressure off our rookie QB to start before he's ready and allows us o improve immensely across the team.

Now, we only do this if the new coaching staff don't think Teddy is the guaranteed franchise QB for the next 15 years.

The guy who suggested Orton earlier, I wouldn't be against that, I think if you have the guy of the future in the draft, but he isn't ready to start, Orton is the type of guy who can game manage, take the pressure off the rookie, and most importanly, give some cap relief compared to say cutler so we can go out and get a couple of mid-level FAs to further improve.

I see this as a plan that guarantees the ability to get to a ~.500 record at the least (decent coaching dependant) and possibly get straight back into the playoffs.
How is Kyle Orton better than Schaub?
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Freeman intrigues me. He had a good year, then something went wrong. I wonder if it was coaching. But I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. This really isn't the time to start taking chances on guys, and that includes Cutler, who has reached his ceiling and is only going to go downhill.

We'll take Teddy with the first pick and let Obie mold him. I would rather go Clowney first and get a QB in the second round, but I think QB need is exaggerated this year because of the dumpster fire rotation of Schaub and Keenum.
How is taking a chance on Freeman any different than taking a chance on Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel? I bet we could get him on a contract that eliminated long term risk so if it's not working out we could just cut him. At least Freeman has shown he can do it in the NFL.
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How is taking a chance on Freeman any different than taking a chance on Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel? I bet we could get him on a contract that eliminated long term risk so if it's not working out we could just cut him. At least Freeman has shown he can do it in the NFL.
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How is taking a chance on Freeman any different than taking a chance on Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel? I bet we could get him on a contract that eliminated long term risk so if it's not working out we could just cut him. At least Freeman has shown he can do it in the NFL.
It's time you got off the Internet and took a nap. You are obviously exhausted.

I'd never thought I'd say I'll take another year of Keenum but I'd gladly take that over the train wreck that has become Josh Freeman.
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It's time you got off the Internet and took a nap. You are obviously exhausted.

I'd never thought I'd say I'll take another year of Keenum but I'd gladly take that over the train wreck that has become Josh Freeman.
All I can tell you is brace yourself. Its going to be a long offseason.

Vick, Freeman, VY....... hell, even Grossman may get some run on this board at some point in the offseason.
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Vick, Freeman, VY
I don't even know which of those I like the least
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I've been thinking about this data comparison since I saw it yesterday .... It sure paints Bridgewater in a favorable light ..... but it doesn't factor in the level of competition which has to be an issue as it makes projection to playing with the big boys difficult.

While Manziel is putting up video game numbers against the best teams in the country including 562 yards against Bama's defense .... Bridgewater is slugging it out with heavyweights like Floridia International University.
This disparity in strength of opposition makes comparison difficult at best.
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I've been thinking about this data comparison since I saw it yesterday .... It sure paints Bridgewater in a favorable light ..... but it doesn't factor in the level of competition which has to be an issue as it makes projection to playing with the big boys difficult.

While Manziel is putting up video game numbers against the best teams in the country including 562 yards against Bama's defense .... Bridgewater is slugging it out with heavyweights like Floridia International University.
This disparity in strength of opposition makes comparison difficult at best.
I'm with you on this and will expand on it a little more. What happens when a QB is pressured constantly and the correct pass is to throw it away? What about dropped passes? What about receivers who were hurt during the year? Easy wide open receivers or fitting it into tight spaces constantly? Stat nerds love this kind of stuff, but I'd rather just turn on the film to evaluate a QB effectively.
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How is Kyle Orton better than Schaub?
He doesn't have a $14.5M cap number for one.
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I'd never thought I'd say I'll take another year of Keenum but I'd gladly take that over the train wreck that has become Josh Freeman.
I don't understand this. The guy had issues in Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay has proven they very well could have been the problem. Josh Freeman is the prototypical size, has an NFL arm, & has shown flashes in the NFL. He is not a headcase, ala VY, or Jamarcus Russell. He does not bring the circus ala TeBow.

& we don't have a starting QB on our 2014 roster.

We're not suggesting Freeman is the future of the Texans, that would be Bridgewater, Bortles, Mettenberger, Boyd, or Thomas.

Freeman would have a one year platform to show the other NFL teams he can be a franchise QB.

Freeman, Keenum, & a rookie will compete for the starting job in camp. If Keenum wins, we cut Freeman. If Freeman wins, we cut Keenum. If the rookie wins, we cut the worst of the lot.

This way we're not handing the starting job, yet again, to someone who hasn't earned it. Our starting QB would be someone who has either won a game in the NFL, or beat out someone who had.
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While Manziel is putting up video game numbers against the best teams in the country including 562 yards against Bama's defense .... Bridgewater is slugging it out with heavyweights like Floridia International University.
This disparity in strength of opposition makes comparison difficult at best.
A&M set records for offensive production in the SEC. Supposedly the best collective of defenses in college football.
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I'm with you on this and will expand on it a little more. What happens when a QB is pressured constantly and the correct pass is to throw it away? What about dropped passes? What about receivers who were hurt during the year? Easy wide open receivers or fitting it into tight spaces constantly? Stat nerds love this kind of stuff, but I'd rather just turn on the film to evaluate a QB effectively.
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I've been thinking about this data comparison since I saw it yesterday .... It sure paints Bridgewater in a favorable light ..... but it doesn't factor in the level of competition which has to be an issue as it makes projection to playing with the big boys difficult.

While Manziel is putting up video game numbers against the best teams in the country including 562 yards against Bama's defense .... Bridgewater is slugging it out with heavyweights like Floridia International University.
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I'm with you on this and will expand on it a little more. What happens when a QB is pressured constantly and the correct pass is to throw it away? What about dropped passes? What about receivers who were hurt during the year? Easy wide open receivers or fitting it into tight spaces constantly? Stat nerds love this kind of stuff, but I'd rather just turn on the film to evaluate a QB effectively.
Yeah and when you look at the film, you see TB playing average against the best defenses he faced in his conference, UCF and Houston. He didn't impress me when I saw him against UH.
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How is taking a chance on Freeman any different than taking a chance on Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel? I bet we could get him on a contract that eliminated long term risk so if it's not working out we could just cut him. At least Freeman has shown he can do it in the NFL.
Rick has a propensity to sign bad QB's to 5 yr $64 mill deals, so I could see Rick taking a chance on Freeman. (Sarcasm////)
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The problem with stat geeks though is they figure that numbers tell the whole story.

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Yeah and when you look at the film, you see TB playing average against the best defenses he faced in his conference, UCF and Houston. He didn't impress me when I saw him against UH.
Teddy has skills, and definitely possesses the work ethic and intelligence from all accounts. I'm concerned that he doesn't have that "IT" factor that's been discussed frequently here. There's only one QB who does, and stats don't normally tell the whole story with "IT" guys. Brady won the Super Bowl with stats that don't rival what he's done in his best years, but he came through when it counts.
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