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Old 01-10-2014   #401
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I find it humorous that Manziel is being touted as 6'1" and 210#.



Colin Klein is 6'5" and Te'o is 6'1"

Saw him at the Rockets game next to Chris Paul (6'0") and he was at least 2 inches shorter than Paul.
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I find it humorous that Manziel is being touted as 6'1" and 210#.

Colin Klein is 6'5" and Te'o is 6'1"

Saw him at the Rockets game next to Chris Paul (6'0") and he was at least 2 inches shorter than Paul.
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Manziel is about the same height as Brees ... non-issue.
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Manziel is about the same height as Brees ... non-issue.
Brees measured 6' 1/4" at the combine. The short guy in that photo is not taller than 6'.
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Brees measured 6' 1/4" at the combine. The short guy in that photo is not taller than 6'.
How do you know? Maybe Teo is standing on his girlfriend ...
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I find it humorous that Manziel is being touted as 6'1" and 210#.



Colin Klein is 6'5" and Te'o is 6'1"

Saw him at the Rockets game next to Chris Paul (6'0") and he was at least 2 inches shorter than Paul.
FyI... I don't like Manziel's size any better than Bridgewaters. I think both are worthy of a first round pick, because of their intangibles. But for me, neither has the intangibles to make up for their "perceived" size. If Bridgewater weighs in at 215, that changes. I don't think Jonny can do anything to compensate for his size to make me want to risk the first overall pick on him.
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Manziel is about the same height as Brees ... non-issue.
Even if that were true - of course it is an issue. There is a reason why we only have a select few QBs that are this short in the NFL. Being short means having trouble to see over the O-Line, having to throw at weird angles sometimes and usually not being able to absorb as many hits.

Manziel may be a great pro QB because he is just an amazing talent. But you can`t neglect his size when evaluating him. It just means, that he needs to be even better at all the rest.

Personally I would be way to scared to take Manziel. His size is just one part of that. He excelled in college by improvising a lot and doing tons of circus plays. In the pros, defenses will figure him out earlier than that. He is a good pocket passer, but I don`t have enough confidence in his ability here to take him 1-1. And the way he moves IŽd be surprised if he could finish the season without a major injury.

His skill set is phenomenal - and if he actually can make the swith to the pros, he might be the best QB of this draft class. But he has a pretty big "bust potential" as well - both with his plays not translating well to the pros and with possible injuries.
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Brett Favre was only listed at 6'2" and also had the reputation of playing with reckless abandon.
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Brett Favre was only listed at 6'2" and also had the reputation of playing with reckless abandon.
Manziel doesn't weigh any 210 pounds. He'd be lucky to weigh in at 290 unless he gets into a load of daily cheeseburgers between now and the Combine. Favre's playing weight was around 225......big difference.
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Manziel Mania is going to get out of control around here.
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Manziel doesn't weigh any 210 pounds. He'd be lucky to weigh in at 290 unless he gets into a load of daily cheeseburgers between now and the Combine. Favre's playing weight was around 225......big difference.
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How do you know? Maybe Teo is standing on his girlfriend ...
That wouldn't make him any taller.
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Manziel doesn't weigh any 210 pounds. He'd be lucky to weigh in at 290 unless he gets into a load of daily cheeseburgers between now and the Combine. Favre's playing weight was around 225......big difference.
At 290, Manziel could convert to Center if things didn't work out at QB.

Wonder how he kicks, maybe he could replace our other 290 lb ATM alumni.
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Brees measured 6' 1/4" at the combine. The short guy in that photo is not taller than 6'.
neither is Russell Wilson



Don't pick Manziel and he is the next Russell Wilson/Drew Brees - Do we want to be the team that passed on him?


Pick Manziel -if he is a bust - it will take years to undo that.

Dang-most QBs are not going to work out - Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr - it's just a risk you take -but you need a great qb and coach to do anything in this league.
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neither is Russell Wilson



Don't pick Manziel and he is the next Russell Wilson/Drew Brees - Do we want to be the team that passed on him?


Pick Manziel -if he is a bust - it will take years to undo that.

Dang-most QBs are not going to work out - Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr - it's just a risk you take -but you need a great qb and coach to do anything in this league.
But neither Wilson of Brees went 1-1. And lets stop acting like Brees and Wilson are the same size. Wilson measuered 5'10" and 5/8 at the combine and Brees ws 6'0" and 1/4. About an inch and a half difference. Also there is more than a slight difference in style.

I agree Manziel is the pick that somebody will get fired over. Either for passing on him or taking him.
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Don't pick Manziel and he is the next Russell Wilson/Drew Brees - Do we want to be the team that passed on him?


Pick Manziel -if he is a bust - it will take years to undo that.
It really depends on how the rest of that draft turns out. If another QB becomes the guy we were looking for, it's a fail. Especially if it's Bridgewater & Bortles. We had our pick, could have had any one we wanted & passed on the franchise QB.

Then it also depends on how the rest of the players pan out. Very few players in the 2002 draft are worth talking about, 12 years later. Julius Peppers name comes up a lot because of that. The 2006 draft was also pretty bare, but we got one of the better players in that draft (& I doubt anyone will be talking about any of them in 2018).

Whoever we draft, we've got to be extremely honest about who he is & what he can & can't do. Then do our best to ensure he succeeds.
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Pick Manziel -if he is a bust - it will take years to undo that.
Actually Eric Winston brought out a good point on 610 yesterday. JFF is going to get someone fired. Either the GM that takes him, or the GM that doesn't. Pick him and what do you have to lose? If he doesn't work out in two years you are picking #1 again and can grab another prospect.
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