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Old 01-10-2014   #281
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It's like you're arguing that there's no one who should be taken at #1. No Bridgewater, no Bortles, no Manziel.

We shouldn't take Clowney because he's not a fit in Crennel's defense.

We shouldn't waste the 1-1 pick on a guy who's going to play RT, so no Matthews.

So... I don't know.. Barr?
1st, I think we should draft the best player in the draft. Unless we fall in love with a QB. IF the Texans fall in love with one of the three, they have no choice but to take him at 1-1 (because St.Louis, Cleveland, & Jacksonville most likely will if you don't). I'm not in love with any of these guys & don't think they are any more likely to be successfull than guys like Taj Boyd, Zach Mettenberger, & Aj McCarron (<- yes, some people have taken him completely off their board, but I like what I see).

2nd, If I think Jake Matthews, Greg Robinson, or Taylor Lewan have the potential to be a franchise LT, I'm drafting one of them with the 1-1 if I'm not able to negotiate a trade that I really like. I'm not drafting him to play RT, even though he may start there as a rookie (not likely if I think he has what it takes to be a franchise LT, but he might), I'm drafting a LT. If that means that Gary's OT with the fat paycheck gets paid a lot more than the average RT... so be it. The line as a whole would be better. Much, much, on another level better.

3rd, I don't think we're going to get Crennel

4th, I think Clowney would make an awesome 3-4 OLB but I'm not drafting an OLB with the #1 overall.
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1st, I think we should draft the best player in the draft. Unless we fall in love with a QB. IF the Texans fall in love with one of the three, they have no choice but to take him at 1-1 (because St.Louis, Cleveland, & Jacksonville most likely will if you don't). I'm not in love with any of these guys & don't think they are any more likely to be successfull than guys like Taj Boyd, Zach Mettenberger, & Aj McCarron (<- yes, some people have taken him completely off their board, but I like what I see).

2nd, If I think Jake Matthews, Greg Robinson, or Taylor Lewan have the potential to be a franchise LT, I'm drafting one of them with the 1-1 if I'm not able to negotiate a trade that I really like. I'm not drafting him to play RT, even though he may start there as a rookie (not likely if I think he has what it takes to be a franchise LT, but he might), I'm drafting a LT. If that means that Gary's OT with the fat paycheck gets paid a lot more than the average RT... so be it. The line as a whole would be better. Much, much, on another level better.

3rd, I don't think we're going to get Crennel

4th, I think Clowney would make an awesome 3-4 OLB but I'm not drafting an OLB with the #1 overall.
That last one sounds suspiciously like the reasoning for drafting Carr over Peppers in year #1.
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If we go OT at #1 the only guy I'm okay with is Greg Robinson. I think he's a franchise LT, and he would also benefit from starting out at RT.

I think Matthews, Kouandjio, and Lewan are all future RTs. Matthews maybe even an OG.

My #2 LT in the draft is Richardson, and I think there's a shot he will be there at #33.

This is simplifying things big time but I like Bridgewater and Richardson more than Mettenberger and Robinson.
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If we go OT at #1 the only guy I'm okay with is Greg Robinson. I think he's a franchise LT, and he would also benefit from starting out at RT.

I think Matthews, Kouandjio, and Lewan are all future RTs. Matthews maybe even an OG.

My #2 LT in the draft is Richardson, and I think there's a shot he will be there at #33.

This is simplifying things big time but I like Bridgewater and Richardson more than Mettenberger and Robinson.
I am ok with Robinson being ranked the #1 tackle prospect (In a vacuum I think Lewan could be the best), but I cannot sign off on Robinson being the pick @#1. He is on my board in the 5-15 range.

I could be on board with grabbing Richardson at the top of the 2nd. Gotta protect our investment.
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I just simply do not agree with this line of thinking at all. This is entirely your opinion and that's fine, but I would argue that how you rank Manziel or Bortles has nothing do with how you rank Bridgewater.
That's if you're under the impression that TB is head-and-shoulders above the other choices. There's quite a few folks that don't think he's that far ahead. I see them as basically 1A, 1B and 1C at this point. We can only hope the combine and Pro days help sort this out better.

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It's like you're arguing that there's no one who should be taken at #1. No Bridgewater, no Bortles, no Manziel.

We shouldn't take Clowney because he's not a fit in Crennel's defense.

We shouldn't waste the 1-1 pick on a guy who's going to play RT, so no Matthews.
So, what's actually wrong with the argument that there's nobody worth the 1:1?

There is no consensus "lock" in this draft according to many. If Bob / Smith / BoB can deal backwards and pick up some depth, many would be hard pressed to say it was unwarranted.

So yeah, taking a guy at 1:1 if you can trade back to 1:4 and still get him is a wasted chance.

Lord knows I'm not betting on the Texans brain-trust to wow me with trades though.
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So, what's actually wrong with the argument that there's nobody worth the 1:1?

There is no consensus "lock" in this draft according to many. If Bob / Smith / BoB can deal backwards and pick up some depth, many would be hard pressed to say it was unwarranted.

So yeah, taking a guy at 1:1 if you can trade back to 1:4 and still get him is a wasted chance.

Lord knows I'm not betting on the Texans brain-trust to wow me with trades though.
The problem with the idea that there's no one worth 1-1 is that you've got to take someone. If no one wants to trade with you, then you've either got to give something up to induce someone to take it off your hands or you have to make a decision.

The problem is thinking that 1-1 has to be the best player in the draft and has to be the second coming of Peyton Manning. 1-1 has to be the player you think can make the biggest impact with your team that you're not going to be able to take at your next draft pick.

If a middle linebacker is the guy who's going to make the biggest impact and he's not going to be there at your next pick and no one wants to trade with you, then you take that guy with 1-1. If it's a guard or a safety, then you take that guy.

This whole argument that you don't take rush linebackers or you don't take right tackles doesn't work for me although I know a lot of people ascribe to that philosophy.

You make a decision and you roll the dice. (Assuming, like I said, you can't trade and end up in a better position.)
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I think the best veteran QB available will be Matt Schaub, who I never want to see in a Texan's shirt again. I think the best QB in the draft is Bridgewater, but I don't think is 1.1 material. And I think our team's #1priority is to find a franchise QB. In short, I think in 2013, we picked the wrong season to suck.

Best outcome for me would be to trade out of 1.1 and still get TB with whatever 1st rnd pick we get from the trade.
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Best outcome for me would be to trade out of 1.1 and still get TB with whatever 1st rnd pick we get from the trade.
Wish in one hand and poop in the other. If we trade out of 1.1 we're not getting Bridgewater.

And Christ almighty all these people crying about us sucking the wrong year. Last year all anyone could talk about was how bad ass this draft class was. Last year would've been WAY worse to suck so maybe we can stop crying and worrying about who is #1 overall "worthy" and just pick the best g-d QB in the draft. Oh, and that's Bridgewater and I think that's pretty obvious.
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That last one sounds suspiciously like the reasoning for drafting Carr over Peppers in year #1.
In hindsight, knowing what you know now, how would you have handled that draft?
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In hindsight, knowing what you know now, how would you have handled that draft?
Peppers or Reed, and Peppers was certainly thought of as being worthy of 1-1.
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Wish in one hand and poop in the other. If we trade out of 1.1 we're not getting Bridgewater.
I didn't say it was likey, just best possible scenario.

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And Christ almighty all these people crying about us sucking the wrong year.
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pick the best g-d QB in the draft. Oh, and that's Bridgewater and I think that's pretty obvious.
Probably safest strategy, but unlikely to be a long term success. Agreed TB is likely the best QB in the draft.
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Wish in one hand and poop in the other. If we trade out of 1.1 we're not getting Bridgewater.

And Christ almighty all these people crying about us sucking the wrong year. Last year all anyone could talk about was how bad ass this draft class was. Last year would've been WAY worse to suck so maybe we can stop crying and worrying about who is #1 overall "worthy" and just pick the best g-d QB in the draft. Oh, and that's Bridgewater and I think that's pretty obvious.
Completely on board with this statement. Now the draft class sux. I'm having a hard time following that logic. If your guy is there, ya snag him. Case closed, it's a wrap.
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The problem with the idea that there's no one worth 1-1 is that you've got to take someone. If no one wants to trade with you, then you've either got to give something up to induce someone to take it off your hands or you have to make a decision.

The problem is thinking that 1-1 has to be the best player in the draft and has to be the second coming of Peyton Manning.

You make a decision and you roll the dice. (Assuming, like I said, you can't trade and end up in a better position.)
I already stated you need that trading partner. As for the rest? Just "rolling the dice" is what gets you Ryan Leaf.


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Wish in one hand and poop in the other. If we trade out of 1.1 we're not getting Bridgewater.

And Christ almighty all these people crying about us sucking the wrong year. Last year all anyone could talk about was how bad ass this draft class was. Last year would've been WAY worse to suck so maybe we can stop crying and worrying about who is #1 overall "worthy" and just pick the best g-d QB in the draft. Oh, and that's Bridgewater and I think that's pretty obvious.
See, this guy gets it. The ones claiming there's no Luck in the draft are either getting senile or simply dont get it. Luck is someone who probably won't come around for 15 years. Literally one of a kind so stop using him as a measuring stick. I guess I should never settle for anything less than a Ferrari. I really hope we draft Bridgewater because a small part of me wants these posters to have to eat their words when he goes surgical on secondaries.
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I am ok with Robinson being ranked the #1 tackle prospect (In a vacuum I think Lewan could be the best), but I cannot sign off on Robinson being the pick @#1. He is on my board in the 5-15 range.

I could be on board with grabbing Richardson at the top of the 2nd. Gotta protect our investment.
I don't think Lewan is a LT and I think he is very overrated. I compare him to a guy like Oher. He can step in and play some LT, but only to fill in. In reality, he's a RT.

I've said before though that Richardson is my favorite OT in this class. Bridgewater plus Richardson would be pretty awesome.
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Peppers or Reed, and Peppers was certainly thought of as being worthy of 1-1.
See... if I were from the "You have to take a chance on the QB" crowd, I'd have said Carr, because you've got to take that chance.
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I don't think Lewan is a LT and I think he is very overrated. I compare him to a guy like Oher. He can step in and play some LT, but only to fill in. In reality, he's a RT.

I've said before though that Richardson is my favorite OT in this class. Bridgewater plus Richardson would be pretty awesome.
Wow. Didn't see that coming. I think Lewan has the size to pay LT in the pros. 4 year starter at LT for Michigan. And naaaaaaaasty which some people keep yearning for from our players. I think a team will take him in the first round, 1 year on the right, then take over permanently on the left.
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See... if I were from the "You have to take a chance on the QB" crowd, I'd have said Carr, because you've got to take that chance.
Man, you are so right. If the Texans were to ever get another chance at the 1st pick and chose the best QB, we'd definitely get another "Carr." Let's do the Kansas City route and beef up our defense, OL, and running game. It's all won there! Quarterback - Schmotorback. Who needs it.
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Man, you are so right. If the Texans were to ever get another chance at the 1st pick and chose the best QB, we'd definitely get another "Carr." Let's do the Kansas City route and beef up our defense, OL, and running game. It's all won there! Quarterback - Schmotorback. Who needs it.
That's not at all what I said. I said if you believe that a team such as ours has to take a chance on a QB now, then taking Carr in 2002 was still the right decision, even in hindsight.

I was actually coming around to your way of thinking.

But since he answered Peppers or Reed, then it's obvious he's looking for the best player in the draft (who takes a safety with the #1 overall?).

As an aside, I don't think it was a mistake to draft Carr. I think everything we did after that was.
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I was begging for peppers first and I wanted us to sign Trent Dilfer as a free agent. There were way better QB's coming out the next year. It wasn't like we were going to make the playoffs our first year.
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