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Old 01-10-2014   #361
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Because the farther away we get from anything remotely close
to what we did last year -- the closer we are to having a 2-14
season and the farther we are away from a KC type turnaround.

My biggest fear is for a guy like AJ to have to go through a total
rebuild. (he deserves better than that..)

What will JJ do in free agency if we pull another 10+ loss season?

And all of you guys wanting to put me on ignore -- do it.
I don't want to join into your "yes man" circle jerk.

Just because I think we are headed in the wrong direction doesn't
mean that I'm a bad fan. The tickets I've spent money on in the
past disagrees with your assumption.

I just refuse to fart rainbows and sing kumbaya when I see what
I believe to be 6 more years of mediocrity on the horizon..

"Forums" are supposed to be where people can express these types
of opinions. If they aren't welcome here than this place is
becoming more of a cliquey teen "girls club" than a place where football
fans can really toss ideas around..
While we don't see eye-to-eye on this issue, you certainly have a right to your opinions. You are not flaming anyone and are just presenting your thoughts.

Folks are excited right now, so you're just taking a little heat for a contrary perspective. Nobody knows who is right or wrong right now, so it's all just speculation.

Don't sweat it. I hope you're completely wrong for the sake of the franchise (since none of our opinions really influence anything), but I can understand your fears. I don't want to go there in my own mind right now, but you definitely have a right to feel the way you do.
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Because the farther away we get from anything remotely close

to what we did last year -- the closer we are to having a 2-14

season and the farther we are away from a KC type turnaround.



My biggest fear is for a guy like AJ to have to go through a total

rebuild. (he deserves better than that..)



What will JJ do in free agency if we pull another 10+ loss season?



And all of you guys wanting to put me on ignore -- do it.

I don't want to join into your "yes man" circle jerk.



Just because I think we are headed in the wrong direction doesn't

mean that I'm a bad fan. The tickets I've spent money on in the

past disagrees with your assumption.



I just refuse to fart rainbows and sing kumbaya when I see what

I believe to be 6 more years of mediocrity on the horizon..



"Forums" are supposed to be where people can express these types

of opinions. If they aren't welcome here than this place is

becoming more of a cliquey teen "girls club" than a place where football

fans can really toss ideas around..

Well, since you want to pull out the "I've spent money on this team" card...

I did the math and added up all the money I've spent on the Texans. All in - tickets, parking, gear, food, beer, airfare and hotel for away games - is about $15k. And that's nothing: I have friends that have been ticket holders since day one, and they've spent a lot more than me.

And guess what? We ALL wanted change and are excited about the potential of this staff.




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Here's the problem I have with all of this..

Everyone is saying "we're really close". "We have the talent.."
"We just need a QB", etc. You can't forget about the 10-6
and 12-4 immediately preceeding the 2-14

If we change everything, all position coaches, blocking schemes,
etc. Then we're going to need at least another year just to
figure out new terminology and find out which players are going
to work in the new schemes (possibly out of position)
and which ones are not!

It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If we pull another 4-12 or 5-11 season, and BOB is a hothead
and we end up going along the Schiano route, what does it
mean for all of our star players than have payed their dues for
the last half-dozen years?

I believed we were close too. I was no fan of Kubiak, and
certainly not of the worst ST coach in the NFL. Wade's scheme
was no longer working, etc.

But to let all of the individual position coaches go without
any serious evaluation was a mistake...

It just makes me feel really uncomfortable about the way
BOB is going to run this organization..

I hope the guys BOB hires into these position coach jobs have
a "come in and work with the players" approach, and not a
"my way or the highway" attitude..

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Wha??? The farther we get from the crap of last years 2-14, the closer we get to 2-14 crap? C'MON MAN!
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Another year and no trophy. New staff, some new players, reset and reshuffle the deck again. Onwards and upwards and all that horse$hit.

At least we have something new to talk about, and not another frigging year of when the **** is Kubiak going to be fired. LOL
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Good for you. I hope you are right, I do.

But right now, there's not enough evidence to know whether
you or right, or I am..

Just because I disagree with you (and anyone else that thinks
that BOB is the second coming of Lombardi) doesn't mean I am
a bad fan..

At this point, my opinion is just as valid as yours. And if you're
too uptight (or offended) to admit that.. Then, to quote Gary --
"It's on you.."

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Well, since you want to pull out the "I've spent money on this team" card...

I did the math and added up all the money I've spent on the Texans. All in - tickets, parking, gear, food, beer, airfare and hotel for away games - is about $15k. And that's nothing: I have friends that have been ticket holders since day one, and they've spent a lot more than me.

And guess what? We ALL wanted change and are excited about the potential of this staff.
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Here's the problem I have with all of this..

Everyone is saying "we're really close". "We have the talent.."
"We just need a QB", etc. You can't forget about the 10-6
and 12-4 immediately preceeding the 2-14

If we change everything, all position coaches, blocking schemes,
etc. Then we're going to need at least another year just to
figure out new terminology and find out which players are going
to work in the new schemes (possibly out of position)
and which ones are not!

It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If we pull another 4-12 or 5-11 season, and BOB is a hothead
and we end up going along the Schiano route, what does it
mean for all of our star players than have payed their dues for
the last half-dozen years?

I believed we were close too. I was no fan of Kubiak, and
certainly not of the worst ST coach in the NFL. Wade's scheme
was no longer working, etc.

But to let all of the individual position coaches go without
any serious evaluation was a mistake...

It just makes me feel really uncomfortable about the way
BOB is going to run this organization..

I hope the guys BOB hires into these position coach jobs have
a "come in and work with the players" approach, and not a
"my way or the highway" attitude..
Good Grief.

You're missing the bigger picture. This isn't just a coaching change; they're changing the overall culture of the franchise. The Texans have a reputation for being a Country Club franchise that produces weak, underperforming players.

In order to change that culture, you have to clean house, even if it means firing staff members that were good at their jobs (though, at 2-14, it would be hard to argue that anyone was any good).

O'Brien has no need to evaluate Kubiak's coaches, because he - and McNair - probably believe that Kubiak's coaches are not very good.

I think the way he's gone about it is great: get rid of all the coaches, and have your own people evaluate the players.
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Good for you. I hope you are right, I do.

But right now, there's not enough evidence to know whether
you or right, or I am..

Just because I disagree with you (and anyone else that thinks
that BOB is the second coming of Lombardi) doesn't mean I am
a bad fan..

At this point, my opinion is just as valid as yours. And if you're
too uptight (or offended) to admit that.. Then, to quote Gary --
"It's on you.."
Of course it's your opinion. And, of course there's not enough evidence who is right. The guy has been here a week.

But there IS enough evidence - 8 years - to know that Kubiak's staff was terrible.
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I'm cool with sending everyone packing if McNair is willing to tell
everyone we're in a rebuild -- and start cutting ticket prices, etc.

If you wanna gamble on a new guy -- and are willing to take the
risks of multiple crappy seasons to see it through then so be it.

But, if it were me, this guy is on a short leash. I give him 3 years
tops to show me he's going to build a superbowl contender.

If you're going to flush everything (and I mean everything) then
you damn well better be right.

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Good Grief.
I think the way he's gone about it is great: get rid of all the coaches, and have your own people evaluate the players.
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I'm cool with sending everyone packing if McNair is willing to tell
everyone we're in a rebuild -- and start cutting ticket prices, etc.

If you wanna gamble on a new guy -- and are willing to take the
risks of multiple crappy seasons to see it through then so be it.

But, if it were me, this guy is on a short leash. I give him 3 years
tops to show me he's going to build a superbowl contender.


If you're going to flush everything (and I mean everything) then
you damn well better be right.
But that's the thing: 3-4 years isn't a short leash; it's normal. Most coaches only GET 3-5 years. That is a decent amount of time to evaluate a coach, and to see where he's taking the team.

I'm a fan of giving a guy 5 years. But, you can easily see by the end of year 3 if it's going to work or not.

Let's not forget that Kubiak getting 8 years was abnormal in the NFL.
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Here's the problem I have with all of this..

Everyone is saying "we're really close". "We have the talent.."
"We just need a QB", etc. You can't forget about the 10-6
and 12-4 immediately preceeding the 2-14

If we change everything, all position coaches, blocking schemes,
etc. Then we're going to need at least another year just to
figure out new terminology and find out which players are going
to work in the new schemes (possibly out of position)
and which ones are not!

It's like we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If we pull another 4-12 or 5-11 season, and BOB is a hothead
and we end up going along the Schiano route, what does it
mean for all of our star players than have payed their dues for
the last half-dozen years?

I believed we were close too. I was no fan of Kubiak, and
certainly not of the worst ST coach in the NFL. Wade's scheme
was no longer working, etc.

But to let all of the individual position coaches go without
any serious evaluation was a mistake...

It just makes me feel really uncomfortable about the way
BOB is going to run this organization..

I hope the guys BOB hires into these position coach jobs have
a "come in and work with the players" approach, and not a
"my way or the highway" attitude..
This team is getting exactly what it needed, a drastic change in attitude.

We needed a swift kick in the ass and that's what O'Brien is bringing.

Your way is the Kubiak way, and that didn't produce a killer instinct at all.
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I can't believe some are already talking about firing a coach who's been on the job for 1 week.
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So, let me get something straight here..

Is a "KC turnaround" something you're hoping will happen, or are you actually expecting it to happen?

If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
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I can't believe some are already talking about firing a coach who's been on the job for 1 week.
At least it would take the medias eyes off the trainwreck that is the Browns
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Friends? I would imagine they're somehow related. Cousin? An uncle perhaps?
Now a Texan he will be nicknamed Billy Bob. I am very excited about names I hear Texans are considering. Props to McNair.
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If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
I really don't understand why Bob is getting raked over the coals for this (besides by speedfreak,who I guess wants to save money on tickets) . As the top guy he should be setting high expectations. If anything I'd say he has done a poor job of it in the past. Or at least holding people to them. I bet internally the Steelers probably knew they were in for a dicey year, but no one was saying "let's just try to slide into the playoffs guys and hope for the best. Participation trophies for everyone at years end!"
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So, let me get something straight here..

Is a "KC turnaround" something you're hoping will happen, or are you actually expecting it to happen?

If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
I expect 6-10.

I'm hoping for 19-0.
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I expect a Texans vs Lions, coached by Kubiak, in the Superbowl.

Lions win and the city of Houston goes on lockdown
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Here's another one that makes me laugh . .

"I want a head coach who hold his players accountable!"

In other words, you want someone who publicly throws his players under the bus, just so it will make you feel better.

Another one ..

All this Belichick nonsense, and how all the Patriots do is win. We'll see how far down the tracks that gravy train rolls when Brady hangs up his cleats.
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So, let me get something straight here..

Is a "KC turnaround" something you're hoping will happen, or are you actually expecting it to happen?

If you are on the "expecting it to happen", I'm going with speedfreek's take, hands down. I'm not drinking any of that Bob's 'I expect to win now' Kool-aid.
Hoping but I believe the Texans are a good enough team for it to happen.

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I can't believe some are already talking about firing a coach who's been on the job for 1 week.
Just wait until we lose a game... Then all hell will break loose.
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Default Re: Mike Munchack being interviewed as office of line coach

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Originally Posted by IDEXAN View Post
Line coach to NFL Head Coach ? Excellent !
3 years as an NFL Head Coach directly to Line coach ? Not Good !
It's actually more common than not given Munch's circumstances.

Mike Singletary, Rod Marinelli, Mike Tice, and Jim Zorn are four guys I can think of who were hired as HC's without any NFL coordinator experience, and then fired. None of the four got coordinator gigs the year after they were fired, although both Marinelli and Tice become coordinators later.

The only recent exception to this I can think of was Tony Sparano who went straight from being the HC of the Dolphins to being OC of the Jets (and then being fired). While he did coordinate the Cowboys running game while Parcells was still there, I don't see that he ever coordinated an entire offense.

Granted, I may be missing some, but there's not a long list of guys that go directly from NFL position coach to NFL HC to fired.
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