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Old 01-08-2014   #21
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There's a guy that plays for the Seahawks that could answer that question for you.
Wilson is a pure pocket passer who happens to have tremendous scrambling ability. He also rarely gets hit.

Manziel can throw from the pocket, but he is much more comfortable on the move outside the pocket. He also takes way too many hits.
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Wilson is a pure pocket passer who happens to have tremendous scrambling ability. He also rarely gets hit.

Manziel can throw from the pocket, but he is much more comfortable on the move outside the pocket. He also takes way too many hits.
He's also thicker, a lot more muscle.
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He's also thicker, a lot more muscle.
And a better athlete. Wilson played pro baseball... Manziel bricked that layup.
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Manziel means bidness.

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And a better athlete. Wilson played pro baseball... Manziel bricked that layup.
Don't really care if Manziel can't play other sports because he can play football and he's obviously athletic. To add onto the baseball though, Wilson also has a much, much stronger arm.
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Manziel can throw from the pocket, but he is much more comfortable on the move outside the pocket. He also takes way too many hits.
Well at least he don't take hits like this!
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Seriously though, is there a website that keeps stats on how many passes he's thrown from the pocket vs outside the pocket?
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To add onto the baseball though, Wilson also has a much, much stronger arm.
In baseball or football?
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Who called you a hater?

Bridgewater isn't some can't miss prospect. He is more pro ready than Manziel, but all these highlight gifs people kept posting of Bridgewater, Manziel has done those exact same plays. i think he has the most potential. I wouldn't take either QB first overall, only Clowney. Trading back a few spots and grabbing him would be best.
It's not the GIFs we should be concerned with. Any QB can look great in a highlight reel. We should be concerned about all the countless other plays, adjustments, reads etc. That is what a makes a QB.
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Seriously though, is there a website that keeps stats on how many passes he's thrown from the pocket vs outside the pocket?
I don't know of one, however this site is most does a pretty good job with college stats:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2013/player/...tuational.html
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In baseball or football?
I assume both although I've never seen Manziel throw a baseball. Wilson throws the football with much more zip though.
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Well at least he don't take hits like this!
I don't recall mentioning Bridgewater in that post, but yes he did get clocked there. However, that happens to him rarely because he stays in the pocket and gets the ball out quickly most of the time. I don't recall Manziel getting rocked like that before, but he invites a much higher quantity of hits with his style of play. Those add up. Just look at this season with all of his ailments.
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Wow, lots of JFF hate in here, even though LZ is quite revered at other times. Must be wishy-washy fans. People need to remember that LOTS of folks thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect than Manning as well.

I think TB has a higher ceiling, I think JFF has a higher floor. I see things in both their games that are suspect at the pro level, but whether they can re-train either their brain or body to correct them (or just overcome them) is a prospect you face 98% of the time.

Talent-wise, the only can't miss I see is Clowney. His issues are almost entirely between the ears.

To those spouting stats on College QB arm-strength vs. current NFL players, you have zero comparison points until the combine. Let's look at those metrics before pronouncing anyone weaker or slower.
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I would actually swap that: I think Teddy has the higher floor but Manziel has the higher ceiling. Teddy's great mechanics would make anyone happy to have him drafted first overall, but you've got to wonder about JFF's potential, especially as we see the Pistol develop in the pros.
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Talent-wise, the only can't miss I see is Clowney. His issues are almost entirely between the ears.
for me thats the biggest stumbling block.
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for me thats the biggest stumbling block.
If we draft him first overall you can bet your ass he blew us away in his interviews and answered all those questions right.
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If we draft him first overall you can bet your ass he blew us away in his interviews and answered all those questions right.
i agree with this. i trust the evaluations the organisation makes they obviously have more info than we do
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If we draft him first overall you can bet your ass he blew us away in his interviews and answered all those questions right.
Questions like "will you work hard?" reply " I will work hard".

I'm convinced.
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Questions like "will you work hard?" reply " I will work hard".

I'm convinced.
Maybe they do those weird psycho-analyst questions,like:

If you were an animal what kind of car would you drive?

Describe yourself in three words using the last letter of the previous word as the first of the subsequent word?
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Questions like "will you work hard?" reply " I will work hard".

I'm convinced.
I'm sure they ask a little more than one simple question. It's probably more like a good grilling.
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I'm sure they ask a little more than one simple question. It's probably more like a good grilling.
Like "Is your mother a prostitute?"
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