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Old 01-03-2014   #241
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He had very consistent effort until this yr when he knew he would be a top 5 pick if he never played a down. There was too much $$$$ to lose if he got hurt to give it his all this yr. I cant blame him.
Sure, it makes total sense, and I don't blame him... similarly, I can also relate to football players that tend to eat pizza and hamburgers during the off-season and take it easy instead of being militant about their diet and workout routine.

However, if I am evaluating players to join my team with a $25 million financial commitment, I'm less concerned with their ability to think/behave like Everyday Joe. Instead, I'm looking for someone with an edge, commitment, and intensity that goes beyond logical or relatable.

I do not believe there is any athlete, no matter how remarkable, that can enter the NFL and be a great player without being a harder worker than the majority of the NFL athletes. That wasn't the case 25 years ago. I guarantee you there will be a large number of athletes in this year's combine that will be in the ballpark of Clowney's power/weight/speed/quickness combination... Some of those players may be TEs, LBs, and some DEs... There will be freakishly strong Safeties that weigh 230 lbs and run sub 4.5s and RBs that do the same. I believe football intelligence, commitment, and passion are crucial for anyone to be great in the NFL today. I don't see those intangibles clearly enough to want Clowney...

The Texans will surely do their homework- talking to Clowney and his coaches. They will know much better than you or I will know. So, if they do draft him, I will be cautiously optimistic. I'm only speaking confidently about what I am confident about. Aaron Donald is going to be a great NFL DT... Though it is likely (but not certain) that the Texans could trade back and draft him, at this point, if the Texans drafted defense with pick 1.1, I would want Donald.

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Jesus H...

If you don't understand the difference between a double team and a chip block then just stop bothering with the charade that you know any damn thing about football.

There is clearly a difference between two players working a guy for the duration of a play and one guy working him as another takes a quick shot and moves on.

Yes, if he was chipped it was done as an intentionally schematic move to keep the designated player away from the ball. But it is clearly hyperbole to call it anything other than what it is.

The point is Clowney is good enough that he consistently requires extra attention.
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Jesus H...

If you don't understand the difference between a double team and a chip block then just stop bothering with the charade that you know any damn thing about football.

There is clearly a difference between two players working a guy for the duration of a play and one guy working him as another takes a quick shot and moves on.

Yes, if he was chipped it was done as an intentionally schematic move to keep the designated player away from the ball. But it is clearly hyperbole to call it anything other than what it is.

The point is Clowney is good enough that he consistently requires extra attention.
If that was directed at me, that is pretty much what I said.
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If that was directed at me, that is pretty much what I said.
Everybody in this thread knows exactly who that was directed at. The same person who is wrong nearly every time he touches a keyboard and yet consistently gets upset when he is corrected.

If you took it as meant for you then I apologize. It was not.
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Everybody in this thread knows exactly who that was directed at. The same person who is wrong nearly every time he touches a keyboard and yet consistently gets upset when he is corrected.

If you took it as meant for you then I apologize. It was not.
Well... seeing as how I'm never wrong...


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Jesus H...

If you don't understand the difference between a double team and a chip block then just stop bothering with the charade that you know any damn thing about football.

There is clearly a difference between two players working a guy for the duration of a play and one guy working him as another takes a quick shot and moves on.

Yes, if he was chipped it was done as an intentionally schematic move to keep the designated player away from the ball. But it is clearly hyperbole to call it anything other than what it is.

The point is Clowney is good enough that he consistently requires extra attention.
If that was directed at me, what mussop said....and you can't correct someone if they're right.
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Jesus H...

If you don't understand the difference between a double team and a chip block then just stop bothering with the charade that you know any damn thing about football.

There is clearly a difference between two players working a guy for the duration of a play and one guy working him as another takes a quick shot and moves on.

Yes, if he was chipped it was done as an intentionally schematic move to keep the designated player away from the ball. But it is clearly hyperbole to call it anything other than what it is.

The point is Clowney is good enough that he consistently requires extra attention.
yeah, he's just a queer that needs attention and people continue to give it to him.
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Yeah, the point is that Clowney is very disruptive and that simply pointing to his sack numbers to the point of stubbornness is approaching intellectual dishonesty.
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Clowney = Jevon Kearse.

Not bad, but no LT either. I cringe when I hear generational because its such a grand claim to make when faced with the concerns.
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I'm pretty sure, with the Crennel hire, that we can take Clowney off the board at #1 (along with my pet project: Aaron Donald). So, that takes care of that.

Other names that may have moved up our board as potential 1st round picks on defense:

A. Barr (OLB)
L. Nix (NT) ... I doubt either would be selected with 1.1, but perhaps could be targeted with a move down a few spots.

Other possibilities if we drop beyond 1.5:
K. Mack OLB
CJ Mosley ILB - New England traded up to 1.9 a few years ago to get J.Mayo.

I would say Crennel's hiring increases the likelihood, a great deal, that the Texans go offense (QB of their liking or Matthews), or trade down.
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I'd be a huge fan of Mack, especially if there's a trade down.
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I'm pretty sure, with the Crennel hire, that we can take Clowney off the board at #1 (along with my pet project: Aaron Donald). So, that takes care of that.

Other names that may have moved up our board as potential 1st round picks on defense:

A. Barr (OLB)
L. Nix (NT) ... I doubt either would be selected with 1.1, but perhaps could be targeted with a move down a few spots.

Other possibilities if we drop beyond 1.5:
K. Mack OLB
CJ Mosley ILB - New England traded up to 1.9 a few years ago to get J.Mayo.

I would say Crennel's hiring increases the likelihood, a great deal, that the Texans go offense (QB of their liking or Matthews), or trade down.
Hard to say right now, but I think this is the first time in Texans history that I really don't care all that much as long as we don't draft Clowney.

You've heard me rip Kubiak and Smith for years, but right now I'm very comfortable with our coaching situation and excited for it. Whatever direction they choose to go, I'll have confidence that they are making sound decisions unless it's a total head scratcher that I can't justify for the life of me. I think we could draft or trade back in so many different scenarios right now. I'd love to get our QB situation figured out though. UNfortunately there is only one QB that I really like and he seems to need a little bit more development as of now.
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I'm pretty sure, with the Crennel hire, that we can take Clowney off the board at #1 (along with my pet project: Aaron Donald). So, that takes care of that.

Other names that may have moved up our board as potential 1st round picks on defense:

A. Barr (OLB)
L. Nix (NT) ... I doubt either would be selected with 1.1, but perhaps could be targeted with a move down a few spots.

Other possibilities if we drop beyond 1.5:
K. Mack OLB
CJ Mosley ILB - New England traded up to 1.9 a few years ago to get J.Mayo.

I would say Crennel's hiring increases the likelihood, a great deal, that the Texans go offense (QB of their liking or Matthews), or trade down.
actually NE did not trade up for Mayo. that was SF's pick they received from the previous year when the 9ers traded back in to the 1st Rd for Joe Staley.
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Mallett is as unproven as any of the QB's this year that nobody here wants to draft.
Agreed,

But he's got 3 things going for him.

1. Talent, as much as any QB in this draft. Mallett is unproven because he plays behind a GOAT. (Brady)
2. He already knows the offense, none of the draftable QB's already knows the offense.
3. He will be much cheaper than 1-1.

If BO'B chooses to make a trade like this then there is something in Mallett he likes and that's good enough for me. If not then hopefully he finds his guy.
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Agreed,

But he's got 3 things going for him.

1. Talent, as much as any QB in this draft. Mallett is unproven because he plays behind a GOAT. (Brady)
2. He already knows the offense, none of the draftable QB's already knows the offense.
3. He will be much cheaper than 1-1.

If BO'B chooses to make a trade like this then there is something in Mallett he likes and that's good enough for me. If not then hopefully he finds his guy.
Mallet is not Texan worthy, so forget it.
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2 people are somewhat occupied and that's good enough for me.

Clowney/Watt are doubled and chipped some of the time.
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2 people are somewhat occupied and that's good enough for me.

Clowney/Watt are doubled and chipped some of the time.
That ship has sailed. Clowney does not fit anywhere in Romeo's defense.
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That ship has sailed. Clowney does not fit anywhere in Romeo's defense.
Well Crennel is still unemployed & hasn't talked to the Texans
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Well Crennel is still unemployed & hasn't talked to the Texans
Where in that article do you get the Texans haven't talked to him?
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